Comments on: Hariri: None of the wars with Israel was ever launched by Lebanon http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/ World News Live from Lebanon Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fadi Abboud http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-5045 Fadi Abboud Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:02:29 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-5045 Thank you..I realize that sometimes we can agree to disagree and that some people here Truly have Lebanon's and not any other country's or Political agenda/group's best interest at heart. Ultimately the goal is the same although the plan of action may differ. However , we need to keep an open mind and be unbiased in our support for different ideas. It doesn't make any sense or logic to support a politician or their agenda when its clear at times that their agenda is not in Lebanon's best interest. Thank you..I realize that sometimes we can agree to disagree and that some people here Truly have Lebanon’s and not any other country’s or Political agenda/group’s best interest at heart. Ultimately the goal is the same although the plan of action may differ. However , we need to keep an open mind and be unbiased in our support for different ideas. It doesn’t make any sense or logic to support a politician or their agenda when its clear at times that their agenda is not in Lebanon’s best interest.

]]> By: The Middle Man http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-5034 The Middle Man Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:41:30 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-5034 Fadi, here i totally agree with you. I was not referring to you when i gave my example. Fadi, here i totally agree with you. I was not referring to you when i gave my example.

]]> By: Fadi Abboud http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4954 Fadi Abboud Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:51:25 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4954 Not everyone hates other religions.. so please speak for yourself, as you are, respectively. There is a difference between willingly given the right to exist and given the right to exist due to fear and intimidation with weapons.. Civilians and politicians live in fear and are afraid to speak out because the law of the country is not being respected and nobody is being held accountable for their actions and there is nobody to protect them under the law unless they side with those who intimidate...... those Few that do speak out are automatically considered an enemy of Lebanon and sometimes considered to be supporters of Israel which is not correct. I am speaking out and i pledge allegiance to Lebanon First and not any other Foreign country. Not everyone hates other religions.. so please speak for yourself, as you are, respectively. There is a difference between willingly given the right to exist and given the right to exist due to fear and intimidation with weapons..
Civilians and politicians live in fear and are afraid to speak out because the law of the country is not being respected and nobody is being held accountable for their actions and there is nobody to protect them under the law unless they side with those who intimidate…… those Few that do speak out are automatically considered an enemy of Lebanon and sometimes considered to be supporters of Israel which is not correct.
I am speaking out and i pledge allegiance to Lebanon First and not any other Foreign country.

]]> By: Sam Jawad http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4952 Sam Jawad Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:23:22 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4952 Both Syria and Lebanon agree that the Shebaa Farms are within Lebanese territory, however, Israel maintains that the area is within Syria’s borders and CONTINUES TO ILLEGALLY OCCUPY THE TERRITORY! Syria supported Lebanon’s claim. This was made public in the UN SC/6878 of June 18, 2000 which stated “Concerning the Shab’a farmlands, both Lebanon and Syria state that this land belongs to Lebanon. To state the area hasnt been demarcatized IS A IDOTIC ISRAELI PLOY! EITHER WAY THE ZIONIST STATE IS STILL ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING THE LAND SMARTASS! Again your statement is sited with so many INCORRECT STATE YOU DEEM AS FACTS! for example lets leave Sheba aside you said: Israel does NOT occupy one millimeter of Lebanon according to UN maps…WRONG!!! Again forget Sheba, what about GHAJAR VILLAGE! Even Israels puppet the U.S. and U.N. Urge Israel to Pull Out! I think my earlier assessments of you were off and I have no desire to debate a Zionist which you appear to be, Zionist are not welcomed on Lebanese soil, or our websites! LONG LIVE LEBANON! LONG LIVE PALESTINE! Salem Both Syria and Lebanon agree that the Shebaa Farms are within Lebanese territory, however, Israel maintains that the area is within Syria’s borders and CONTINUES TO ILLEGALLY OCCUPY THE TERRITORY! Syria supported Lebanon’s claim. This was made public in the UN SC/6878 of June 18, 2000 which stated “Concerning the Shab’a farmlands, both Lebanon and Syria state that this land belongs to Lebanon. To state the area hasnt been demarcatized IS A IDOTIC ISRAELI PLOY! EITHER WAY THE ZIONIST STATE IS STILL ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING THE LAND SMARTASS!

Again your statement is sited with so many INCORRECT STATE YOU DEEM AS FACTS! for example lets leave Sheba aside you said:

Israel does NOT occupy one millimeter of Lebanon according to UN maps…WRONG!!! Again forget Sheba, what about GHAJAR VILLAGE! Even Israels puppet the U.S. and U.N. Urge Israel to Pull Out! I think my earlier assessments of you were off and I have no desire to debate a Zionist which you appear to be, Zionist are not welcomed on Lebanese soil, or our websites! LONG LIVE LEBANON! LONG LIVE PALESTINE!
Salem

]]> By: Constantin http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4950 Constantin Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:53:37 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4950 Sam Jawad, FYI, First: Constantin is a MAN's name and not a woman's, i.e. I am your BROTHER too. Second: I can assure you my Lebanese fellow I don't want to incite hatred towards anybody. I will re-read my messages before I send them in the future and see how they could be perceived by others. However, sometimes the facts are the facts and I don't want to say other than that. If the fact insults others...what can I do. We have to admit our mistakes in life and go forward and try not to repeat them. An example: You say: Hizbullah is not an illegal militia and it was given legality by the government to resist": This is exactly what we do not agree upon Sam. There is no legality when you put a gun to my head and force me to accept you and your acts as legal. This is called TERRORISM! You are using force against me (and the government) to impose your wishes and demands. Exactly like what the Syrians did when they were in Lebanon. This is where we differ! I hope no body is insulted by saying that, and nobody feels hated by stating this fact. Sam Jawad,

FYI, First: Constantin is a MAN’s name and not a woman’s, i.e. I am your BROTHER too.

Second: I can assure you my Lebanese fellow I don’t want to incite hatred towards anybody.
I will re-read my messages before I send them in the future and see how they could be perceived by others. However, sometimes the facts are the facts and I don’t want to say other than that. If the fact insults others…what can I do. We have to admit our mistakes in life and go forward and try not to repeat them.

An example: You say: Hizbullah is not an illegal militia and it was given legality by the government to resist”:
This is exactly what we do not agree upon Sam. There is no legality when you put a gun to my head and force me to accept you and your acts as legal. This is called TERRORISM! You are using force against me (and the government) to impose your wishes and demands. Exactly like what the Syrians did when they were in Lebanon. This is where we differ!

I hope no body is insulted by saying that, and nobody feels hated by stating this fact.

]]> By: Adam ben Yoel http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4940 Adam ben Yoel Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:09:28 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4940 Israel does NOT occupy one millimeter of Lebanon according to UN maps, Lebanese military maps and basically all but one or two unreliable dusty maps. The area in question was never under Lebanese control. I could also rant about how the 'Confessionalist' or Lebanist entity is "evil". Your comments are entirely lacking in substance and are nothing more than personal attacks and hurling accusations aimlessly around regarding ideologies that you do not even yourself understand. Israel does NOT occupy one millimeter of Lebanon according to UN maps, Lebanese military maps and basically all but one or two unreliable dusty maps. The area in question was never under Lebanese control. I could also rant about how the ‘Confessionalist’ or Lebanist entity is “evil”. Your comments are entirely lacking in substance and are nothing more than personal attacks and hurling accusations aimlessly around regarding ideologies that you do not even yourself understand.

]]> By: The Middle Man http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4936 The Middle Man Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:20:23 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4936 Fadi I wish I could agree with you about the religion part. We DO hate other Religions and we are not as tolerant as we think we are. Take Lebanon for example, we are so proud of our "Religious Tolerance", are we tolerant? think about it!! our whole political system is based on intolerance of the other!!! it proves that there is no trust at all between sects! As a Sunni Muslim, personally, I have absolutely no problem to have a cabinet made of Christians only, as long as they uphold the constitution, preserve my freedom, ensure my safety and security! Same goes for Muslim only cabinet or Shiite only or Sunni only. But is this EVER going to happen in Lebanon? NO! y? because we are not tolerant of each other! and we dont trust eachother!why do we curse the jews when it comes to israel? are all jews pro-israel? NO! so Fadi, with all do respect my friend, revise your definition of "regardless of religious beliefs". i am against the arms of hezbollah too. not because i am sunni, not because i got shot at several times in may 7 clashes, but because its not logical for a group of civilians to hold such a massive artillery! Pro-Hizbollah people may say that the resistance is justified because of the chebaa farms, but if you see ther speeches of the Hezbollah leaders, these people dont seem to be willing disarm upon israeli withdrawal from chebaa. these people have in mind to keep fighting israel till the "liberation of palestine" and that alone is a threat to the lebanese security and sovereignty. The problem is that the cabinet is unable to disarm hezbollah and thats because of 2 reasons 1- Israeli threat to Lebanon. Hezbollah is currently the only deterrent to an israeli offensive over lebanon. 2- whenever the cabinet move forth to preparing for such a move, Hezbollah and its allied, AMAL, move towards causing instabilities in Lebanon. But I can go as far as saying that the Lebanese people does not want Hezbollah or its weapons or its hegemony over the Lebanese territories. and that was proven through the victory of 14 march in the elections. Fadi I wish I could agree with you about the religion part. We DO hate other Religions and we are not as tolerant as we think we are. Take Lebanon for example, we are so proud of our “Religious Tolerance”, are we tolerant? think about it!! our whole political system is based on intolerance of the other!!! it proves that there is no trust at all between sects! As a Sunni Muslim, personally, I have absolutely no problem to have a cabinet made of Christians only, as long as they uphold the constitution, preserve my freedom, ensure my safety and security! Same goes for Muslim only cabinet or Shiite only or Sunni only. But is this EVER going to happen in Lebanon? NO! y? because we are not tolerant of each other! and we dont trust eachother!why do we curse the jews when it comes to israel? are all jews pro-israel? NO!

so Fadi, with all do respect my friend, revise your definition of “regardless of religious beliefs”.
i am against the arms of hezbollah too. not because i am sunni, not because i got shot at several times in may 7 clashes, but because its not logical for a group of civilians to hold such a massive artillery!
Pro-Hizbollah people may say that the resistance is justified because of the chebaa farms, but if you see ther speeches of the Hezbollah leaders, these people dont seem to be willing disarm upon israeli withdrawal from chebaa. these people have in mind to keep fighting israel till the “liberation of palestine” and that alone is a threat to the lebanese security and sovereignty. The problem is that the cabinet is unable to disarm hezbollah and thats because of 2 reasons
1- Israeli threat to Lebanon. Hezbollah is currently the only deterrent to an israeli offensive over lebanon.
2- whenever the cabinet move forth to preparing for such a move, Hezbollah and its allied, AMAL, move towards causing instabilities in Lebanon.

But I can go as far as saying that the Lebanese people does not want Hezbollah or its weapons or its hegemony over the Lebanese territories. and that was proven through the victory of 14 march in the elections.

]]> By: Sam Jawad http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4932 Sam Jawad Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:48:05 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4932 TO GOLD, ADAM, BRAD, FADI, AND CONSTANTIN! First things first...GOLD, judging by what you have written, I dont think your a real person, just some idiot who is trying to incite hatred, If by chance I mistaken and your really the hate monger you make yourself out to be be, than there is no need for me to respond to anything that you have said. YOU HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF ILLUSTRATING WHY ISRAEL AND ZIONISTS ARE THE MOST HATED STATE AND IDEAOLGY ON THE PLANET! ADAM...First let me state this, you and I have had civil debates in the past, and I sincerely believe you are a good individual. With that being said, I know you are EXTREMELY misinformed. My friend to know thy enemy (not saying we are its just a phrases) you must first now thy self. You must look ALL the information not just what was given to you by your sources i.e. Israeli, American, Western media. This is not an easy thing to do for many people, but I think you and I in many ways are similar, in that we have CURIOSITY, and the ability to read outside the lines. There are irrefutable facts that im pretty sure your not aware of, that will completely paint into a different light what Israel, and Zionism truly are. Just to make it perfectly clear, I was born in the states and lived here my whole life, I grew up HATING HEZBOLLAH, AND HAMAS, because of the information I was feed living here. It wasnt until my first eye opening experience in Lebanon (in 1996) and Palestine, did i WITNESS the truth with my own eyes, spoke to people, pooled information from respected independent sources did I realize what was REALLY going on and seen the veil over my eyes all those years. If you like to go down the rabbit hole I will HAPPILY provide you with information. BRAD...quickly last I checked Israel still occupied Lebanon and until after the 2006 war ISRAEL WAS HOLDING LEBANESE PRISONERS THEY KIDNAPPED OF LEBANESE GROUNDS! Under international law, any state or group has the RIGHT to resist an occupying force! Like some many ill informed Israelis you always seem to look at the effect but NEVER THE CAUSE! GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY! GIVE UP OUR ILLEGALLY HELD CITIZEN! AND GO TO HELL! LASTLY to my LEBANESE BROTHER AND SISTER FADI AND CONSTANTIN I NEVER insult another fellow Lebanese infront of "Outsiders" but you really need to take a step back and realize what you my be preaching out there. CONSTANTIN, you really have some personal issues, I dont want to call you racist or self hating Arab, but your words speak otherwise. Ive commented to you on a couple different occasions and you never responded. Please, all I ask of you is be cautious with your words, because they incite hatered. FADI, your words seem sincere, and you obviously care for your country and rule of law. I respect that and agree with what you say. You and I have MINOR disagreements on the methods though. HEZBOLLAH is NOT and illegal millita. They have been given the RIGHT TO RESIST BY LAW AND THE GOVERMNET. we can have this debate another time and I welcome it and your oppinon on the matter. Salem TO GOLD, ADAM, BRAD, FADI, AND CONSTANTIN!

First things first…GOLD, judging by what you have written, I dont think your a real person, just some idiot who is trying to incite hatred, If by chance I mistaken and your really the hate monger you make yourself out to be be, than there is no need for me to respond to anything that you have said. YOU HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF ILLUSTRATING WHY ISRAEL AND ZIONISTS ARE THE MOST HATED STATE AND IDEAOLGY ON THE PLANET!

ADAM…First let me state this, you and I have had civil debates in the past, and I sincerely believe you are a good individual. With that being said, I know you are EXTREMELY misinformed. My friend to know thy enemy (not saying we are its just a phrases) you must first now thy self. You must look ALL the information not just what was given to you by your sources i.e. Israeli, American, Western media. This is not an easy thing to do for many people, but I think you and I in many ways are similar, in that we have CURIOSITY, and the ability to read outside the lines. There are irrefutable facts that im pretty sure your not aware of, that will completely paint into a different light what Israel, and Zionism truly are. Just to make it perfectly clear, I was born in the states and lived here my whole life, I grew up HATING HEZBOLLAH, AND HAMAS, because of the information I was feed living here. It wasnt until my first eye opening experience in Lebanon (in 1996) and Palestine, did i WITNESS the truth with my own eyes, spoke to people, pooled information from respected independent sources did I realize what was REALLY going on and seen the veil over my eyes all those years. If you like to go down the rabbit hole I will HAPPILY provide you with information.

BRAD…quickly last I checked Israel still occupied Lebanon and until after the 2006 war ISRAEL WAS HOLDING LEBANESE PRISONERS THEY KIDNAPPED OF LEBANESE GROUNDS! Under international law, any state or group has the RIGHT to resist an occupying force! Like some many ill informed Israelis you always seem to look at the effect but NEVER THE CAUSE! GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY! GIVE UP OUR ILLEGALLY HELD CITIZEN! AND GO TO HELL!

LASTLY to my LEBANESE BROTHER AND SISTER FADI AND CONSTANTIN

I NEVER insult another fellow Lebanese infront of “Outsiders” but you really need to take a step back and realize what you my be preaching out there.
CONSTANTIN, you really have some personal issues, I dont want to call you racist or self hating Arab, but your words speak otherwise. Ive commented to you on a couple different occasions and you never responded. Please, all I ask of you is be cautious with your words, because they incite hatered.

FADI, your words seem sincere, and you obviously care for your country and rule of law. I respect that and agree with what you say. You and I have MINOR disagreements on the methods though. HEZBOLLAH is NOT and illegal millita. They have been given the RIGHT TO RESIST BY LAW AND THE GOVERMNET. we can have this debate another time and I welcome it and your oppinon on the matter.
Salem

]]> By: Adam ben Yoel http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4930 Adam ben Yoel Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:26:18 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4930 Also, I do agree that Lebanon's foreign policy should be for Lebanon and no one else. Also, I do agree that Lebanon’s foreign policy should be for Lebanon and no one else.

]]> By: Adam ben Yoel http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/03/14/hariri-none-of-the-wars-with-israel-was-ever-launched-by-lebanon/#comment-4929 Adam ben Yoel Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:24 +0000 http://www.yalibnan.com/?p=5881#comment-4929 Why is it funny? Our countries are very similar and we are neighbours. Plus we have issues that are linked. Why is it funny? Our countries are very similar and we are neighbours. Plus we have issues that are linked.

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