Lebanon needs to reduce debt by $23 billion

Lebanon should cut its public debt to about 80 percent of gross domestic product, from the current level of 147 percent, Templeton Asset Management Ltd.’s Mark Mobius said. Mobius, who oversees about $34 billion in merging market assets as Templeton’s Singapore-based executive chairman, said he’s considering an investment in Lebanon’s banking and real estate industry this year.

“We are looking to do something here,” he said. “We have Lebanon in our list and we have price points at which we want to buy, but those price points have not yet been reached.”

“If Lebanon cannot exhibit the ability to fairly rapidly pay down its debt then of course they will be a target for a high credit-default-swap spread,” and higher borrowing costs because of the reverberations of the Greek debt crisis, Mobius said in an interview in Beirut today.

Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s government, which was formed in November, has to finance public debt that reached $52 billion at the end of February. Lebanon accumulated the debt as it rebuilt the country after a 15-year civil war that ended in 1990 and a month-long conflict with Israel in 2006.

Plans to sell two state-owned mobile phone operators, which previous governments had hoped would raise as much as $7 billion, were put on hold because of an 18-month political crisis that eased in May 2008, and later due to the global credit crisis and parliamentary elections in June of last year. Restructuring the state-owned power company, Electricite du Liban, which received $1.5 billion of government subsidies last year, has also been delayed.

Lebanon’s economy has weathered the global financial crisis, expanding 9 percent last year as a fixed exchange-rate policy combined with high interest rates helped banks attract about $1.5 billion a month into the country.

The inflow enabled a 16 percent increase in bank credits in 2009, Lebanese central bank Governor Riad Salameh said in a Jan. 20 interview, forecasting a similar increase for this year. Last week, Salameh predicted that the economy will expand as much as 8 percent this year, almost twice as fast as estimated by the Finance Ministry.

The current system is “sustainable if you’re able to put that money to work in something that is productive, that’s the key” Mobius said. “The advantage of course with Lebanon is that you have experienced bankers who understand the region and the world and are able to place that money hopefully in enterprises and companies that will be productive.”

By Massoud A Derhally
Bloomberg

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  • maria

    I think if all the politicians are rounded up and forced to pay back the $$$$ theyve stolen all these years, lebanon would be debt free!

  • maria

    I think if all the politicians are rounded up and forced to pay back the $$$$ theyve stolen all these years, lebanon would be debt free!

  • Nabih

    Got that right Maria

  • Nabih

    Got that right Maria

  • Rabih

    Ya good lick on that. If they reduce it then they pocket less so why even mention it? A pig is called a pig for a reason (I mean when you call a human a pig). Our government is a bunch of pigs that never get full. Trust me, when the real estate market crashes war will become big business again.

  • Rabih

    Ya good lick on that. If they reduce it then they pocket less so why even mention it? A pig is called a pig for a reason (I mean when you call a human a pig). Our government is a bunch of pigs that never get full. Trust me, when the real estate market crashes war will become big business again.

  • Rabih

    I meant good luck

  • Rabih

    I meant good luck

  • maria

    Rabih, you live in libon? do you really think the real estate market will crash there? I greatly respect your opinion and would like to know your view on this, thanks!

  • maria

    Rabih, you live in libon? do you really think the real estate market will crash there? I greatly respect your opinion and would like to know your view on this, thanks!

  • Jamil

    Maria she is right and please add the Syrian masters to the list.

  • Jamil

    Maria she is right and please add the Syrian masters to the list.

  • Rabih

    Maria, When I was in Los Angeles I never thought the market would crash because so many people depended on it and it was really the only thing moving the economy. Other than being in the reserves I owned a mortgage company and built homes. When the crash happened I was shocked that the money the government pumped into the banks was not loaned back out. In Lebanon we dont have a financial situation and most people dont have any debt at all. Buyers are paying cash and not refinancing homes or using credit cards to live. THE CRASH IN AMERICA WAS MORE A FINANCIAL CRASH WHERE FUNDS WHERE NO LONGER AVLB AND PEOPLE WERE VERY LEVERAGED. EVERYTHING RAN ON CREDIT INCLUDING BUSINESSES. People that make 30,000 a year would spend 60,000 and so on. (I also develope land in Lebanon if you want to buy a house), But in business you always have the law of supply and demand. Now that every person in lebanon is either a real estate broker or builder we have a lot more competion and suply has gone up and that will drive demand down.

    I Build small 135 m2 units and sell for $800 to $900 m2 near beirut so I move a lot of units. The rest of the developers around me build 300 m2 units and wait 2 years to sell a building. I just started work on 16 units and sold half before we even started building. Market will not crash but will slow down and that will drive prices down. If we have a cival war we should be really skrewed….

    I built a small hotel and sold it for about 7 times the money I spent just last week. The place is barly making money and I didnt hide the financials. A saudi guy bought it. I think he liked it because its in tabarja near all the super nightclubs on the beach and we have about 30 russina girls living in it ( one of the clubs rented 15 rooms from us for his girls ).

    So As long as we dont loan over 70% of rea estate value and only loan people with secure jobs with a payment no larger than 20 to 30% of his/her income we should be fine. I dont know if you now banking terms, but ill try anyway. The LTV needs to be at 70% or less, No Cashout Refi, DTI Needs to be around 30 to 35%. The banks in lebanon require all the above at least. Basically a person with a $1000 a month check can borrow about $50,000 in Lebanon if they have no debt on a car or credit card so a couple that makes $2000 a month can borrow around $100,000 without a problem. I sell 3 bed units 10 min from beirut for around $100,000. its small, but nice and any middle class family or couple can buy without a problem.

    Email me when youre coming to lebanon rob@statewidefinancials.com

  • Rabih

    Maria, When I was in Los Angeles I never thought the market would crash because so many people depended on it and it was really the only thing moving the economy. Other than being in the reserves I owned a mortgage company and built homes. When the crash happened I was shocked that the money the government pumped into the banks was not loaned back out. In Lebanon we dont have a financial situation and most people dont have any debt at all. Buyers are paying cash and not refinancing homes or using credit cards to live. THE CRASH IN AMERICA WAS MORE A FINANCIAL CRASH WHERE FUNDS WHERE NO LONGER AVLB AND PEOPLE WERE VERY LEVERAGED. EVERYTHING RAN ON CREDIT INCLUDING BUSINESSES. People that make 30,000 a year would spend 60,000 and so on. (I also develope land in Lebanon if you want to buy a house), But in business you always have the law of supply and demand. Now that every person in lebanon is either a real estate broker or builder we have a lot more competion and suply has gone up and that will drive demand down.

    I Build small 135 m2 units and sell for $800 to $900 m2 near beirut so I move a lot of units. The rest of the developers around me build 300 m2 units and wait 2 years to sell a building. I just started work on 16 units and sold half before we even started building. Market will not crash but will slow down and that will drive prices down. If we have a cival war we should be really skrewed….

    I built a small hotel and sold it for about 7 times the money I spent just last week. The place is barly making money and I didnt hide the financials. A saudi guy bought it. I think he liked it because its in tabarja near all the super nightclubs on the beach and we have about 30 russina girls living in it ( one of the clubs rented 15 rooms from us for his girls ).

    So As long as we dont loan over 70% of rea estate value and only loan people with secure jobs with a payment no larger than 20 to 30% of his/her income we should be fine. I dont know if you now banking terms, but ill try anyway. The LTV needs to be at 70% or less, No Cashout Refi, DTI Needs to be around 30 to 35%. The banks in lebanon require all the above at least. Basically a person with a $1000 a month check can borrow about $50,000 in Lebanon if they have no debt on a car or credit card so a couple that makes $2000 a month can borrow around $100,000 without a problem. I sell 3 bed units 10 min from beirut for around $100,000. its small, but nice and any middle class family or couple can buy without a problem.

    Email me when youre coming to lebanon rob@statewidefinancials.com

  • maria

    Jamil youre right!, i forget to add those barbarians, Soory!

  • maria

    Jamil youre right!, i forget to add those barbarians, Soory!

  • maria

    Rabih, Thanks alot for your input! I greatly appreiciate it! It looks like you made libon your permanent home, good for you, hope you live in peace and prosperity there.

    The 3 bedroom units you have, what is the location and how many meters is it? thanks

  • maria

    Rabih, Thanks alot for your input! I greatly appreiciate it! It looks like you made libon your permanent home, good for you, hope you live in peace and prosperity there.

    The 3 bedroom units you have, what is the location and how many meters is it? thanks

  • Tony A

    ya rabih,

    how many sq. feet is m2 bro. i understood everything else as in loan to value and debt to income cos i own 3 houses in canada and i’m trying to buy close to my dad and sister’s area.

    if you don’t mind, i will email you so we chat more and plus i can email you when i’m visiting lebanon this year. do you mind?

  • Tony A

    ya rabih,

    how many sq. feet is m2 bro. i understood everything else as in loan to value and debt to income cos i own 3 houses in canada and i’m trying to buy close to my dad and sister’s area.

    if you don’t mind, i will email you so we chat more and plus i can email you when i’m visiting lebanon this year. do you mind?

  • Rabih

    Tony, Multiply by 10.78.
    Email any time ya tony. I have vonage also witch is basically a u.s phone number in lebanon. works like im in the U.S

  • Rabih

    Tony, Multiply by 10.78.
    Email any time ya tony. I have vonage also witch is basically a u.s phone number in lebanon. works like im in the U.S

  • Rabih

    Its small only 135 m2. But view of beirut and ocean and only 10 minuts to the center of beirut.
    Its in a area called Bchamoun. The area is mixed muslim, christian and druz.
    You can buy 2 side by side or one on top of the other and we can design as you want. Yes for now lebanon is my home. Real estate buble or not this is all I know and its doing good in lebanon or libon as you say.

  • Rabih

    Its small only 135 m2. But view of beirut and ocean and only 10 minuts to the center of beirut.
    Its in a area called Bchamoun. The area is mixed muslim, christian and druz.
    You can buy 2 side by side or one on top of the other and we can design as you want. Yes for now lebanon is my home. Real estate buble or not this is all I know and its doing good in lebanon or libon as you say.

  • baci

    is your Vonage still working–in the last week my Vonage stopped working in Lebanon

  • baci

    is your Vonage still working–in the last week my Vonage stopped working in Lebanon

  • Anonymous

    hi NEED HELP WITH VONAGE plz can someone help me .as soon as possible plz as i sent to my parent in lebanon vonage and couldnt even find filter to can connect. thanks

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