Steve Jobs is a biological Arab-American with roots in Syria

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By Mohannad Al-Haj Ali

Steve Jobs is the founder of Apple, Pixar, and NeXT Computer
Steve Jobs, arguably the most influential CEO in the world, is the biological son of an Arab American who was born in Homs, Syria, and studied at the American University of Beirut.

With accolades that include CEO of the decade and person of the year, Steve Jobs is routinely voted one of the most influential and powerful people in the world. He catapulted Apple to the world’s leading technology company through the iPod revolution and innovations that followed such as the iPhone and the iPad. The creative mind of Steve Jobs is often chronicled, including his life story as the adopted child of a modest American family.

What most fail to realize is that his living biological father is of Syrian origin. Abdul Fattah “John” Jandali emigrated to the United States in the early 1950s to pursue his university studies. Most media outlets have published little about Jandali, other than to say he was an outstanding professor of political science, that he married his girlfriend (Steve’s mother) and by whom he also had a daughter, and that he slipped from view following his separation from his wife.

An American historian, however, has now stirred controversy over the role of genes and their superiority over nurture in the case of Steve Jobs, by describing Jandali in a detailed critical article published briefly on the Internet before it was suddenly removed, as “the father of invention”, given that Jandali’s daughter Mona (Simpson) – Steve’s sister – is also one of the most famous contemporary American novelists and a professor at University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA).

The 79-year-old Jandali has deliberately kept his distance from the media.What is known about him lacks detail, and is both one-sided and a source of curiosity at the same time. Here is his story as Jandali himself told it to Al-Hayat.

Jandali in Syria

Abdul Fattah Jandali was born in 1931 to a traditional family in Homs, Syria. His father did not reach university, but was a self-made millionaire who owned “several entire villages”, according to his son. His father held complete authority over his children, authority not shared by his traditional and “obedient” wife.

“My father was a self-made millionaire who owned extensive areas of land which included entire villages,” Jandali said. “He had a strong personality and, in contrast to other parents in our country, my father did not reveal his feelings towards us, but I knew that he loved me because he loved his children and wanted them to get the best university education possible to live a life of better opportunities than he had, because he didn’t have an education. My mother was a traditional Muslim woman who took care of the house and me and my four sisters, but she was conservative, obedient, and a housewife. She didn’t have as important a part in our upbringing and education as my father. Women from my generation had a secondary role in the family structure, and the male was in control.”

The American University

Jandali did not stay long in Syria. “I left for Beirut when I was 18 to study at the American University, and I spent the best years of my life there,” he said.

He was a pan-Arabism activist, and his star soon began to shine. He headed an intellectual and literary society which had a nationalist bent and counted among its members symbols of the Arab nationalists’ movements such as George Habash, Constantine Zareeq, Shafiq Al-Hout and others.

“I was an activist in the student nationalist movement at that time,” he said. “We demonstrated for the independence of Algeria and spent three days in prison. I wasn’t a member of any particular party but I was a supporter of Arab unity and Arab independence. The three and a half years I spent at the American University in Beirut were the best days of my life. The university campus was fantastic and I made lots of friends, some of whom I am still in contact with. I had excellent professors, and it’s where I first got interested in law and political science.”

The university’s Campus Gate magazine published in its 2007 spring issue an article by Tousef Shabal in which he says: “The Al-Urwa Al-Wuthqa Association was founded in 1918 and dedicated to cultural and political activities. Between 1951 and 1954 the society was headed by Abdul Fattah Jandali, the now deceased Eli Bouri, Thabit Mahayni and Maurice Tabari. The decision to disband the society was taken after the events of March 1954…” a reference to the violent demonstrations that took place on the university campus against the Baghdad Pact.

According to Shabal, the society consisted of “diverse political groups such as Arab nationalists and communists, and competition for the managing positions was red hot, but in the end went in favor of the Arab nationalists.”

When Jandali graduated from the American University in Beirut, Syria was going through troubled political and economic times, according to Jandali, and although he wanted to study law at Damascus University and become a lawyer, his father did not agree, saying that there were “too many lawyers in Syria”.

He continued: “Then I decided to continue my higher studies in economy and political sciences at the United States where a relative of mine, Najm Al-Deen Al-Rifa’i, was working as a delegate of Syria to the United Nations in New York. I studied for a year at Columbia University and then went to Wisconsin University where I obtained grants that enabled me to earn my master’s and doctorate. I was interested in studying the philosophy of law and analysis of law and political sciences, and I focused in my studies at the American University on international law and the economy.”

The birth of Steve and Mona

While studying in Wisconsin, Jandali met Joanne Carole Sciebele by whom he had a boy while they were both still students, but Sciebele’s father was conservative and wouldn’t agree to them getting married, so she gave her baby boy – Steve Jobs – up for adoption.

Mona Simpson is the author of five books of fiction: My Hollywood, Off Keck Road, A Regular Guy, The Lost Father and Anywhere But Here.
Initially, a lawyer and his wife approached, but did not proceed with adoption when they found out the child was a boy and not a girl as they wanted. Another couple came forward, neither of whom had gone through university education, and adopted the newborn baby after agreeing to the mother’s condition that the child be given a university education later in life.

Abdul Fattah (who added “John” to his name) returned and married Sciebele, and they had a daughter and named her Mona, but he then traveled to Syria – part of the United Arab Republic at the time – intending to enter the diplomatic corps.

The United Arab Republic

“I had two basic paths open to me after graduating,” Jandali said. “Either go back to my home country and work with the Syrian government, or stay in the United States and in university education, and that is what I did for a while. I went back to Syria when I got my doctorate, and I thought I’d be able to find work in the government, but that didn’t happen. I worked as a manager at a refinery plant in my hometown of Homs for a year, during which Syria was part of the United Arab Republic and run by the Egyptians. Egyptian engineers, for example, ran the Ministry of Energy in Syria, and the situation wasn’t right for me, so I went back to the United States to rejoin education there.”

According to Jandali, his wife decided to break up with him while he was away in Syria, but that didn’t stop him from pursuing his academic work.

“I enjoyed university education very much, it was a rewarding profession, but unfortunately during the sixties and seventies in the United States the pay was very poor for academics, and in general they did not enjoy great respect due to the prevailing belief that professors only taught because they couldn’t do anything else. That is stupid and wrong, of course. I was an assistant professor at Michigan University then at Nevada University. I purchased a restaurant and became interested in making money, and I gave up academic work to run the business. After the restaurant I was a manager at companies and organizations in Las Vegas, and then I opened two restaurants in Reno and joined the organization that I manage today.”

Jandali describes himself as an “idealist”. “Any job I want to do, I try my utmost to see it through completely or not do it at all. Academically, I was very successful. In business management, after a couple of difficult years, I improved. For example, now I run the organization I work in. Success in the world of business requires you to be interested in your assistants and staff and to have a clear vision.”

80 years: No to retirement

Jandali is that rare case of a person continuing work beyond the age of retirement, and it is something he is proud of.

“Next March I’ll be in my eighties, but to look at me you’d think I was only in my sixties because I’ve taken care of myself, looked after my health, and I love work. I think retirement is the worst of western societies’ institutions. When people retire they become detached, grow old and stop looking after themselves. Enthusiasm for life dies out and energy levels drop, and they effectively kill themselves, even though they’re still alive. I’m not planning to retire even if I leave my position here after a year or two. I’ll dedicate myself to writing, I might write a book or two. My daughter is a very successful novelist with five books, and I plan to move on from my work, and I’m thinking of writing about the Arab World, perhaps a historical narrative with analysis for the future.”

But even so, Jandali has not been to Syria for over 35 years. “Not because I don’t want to, but because of the worry which affects an emigrant when he wants to go back to his home country after so many years, and over what might await him there. I’m thinking of visiting Lebanon and Abu Dhabi next summer to see relatives,” he said.

He doesn’t hide his nostalgia. “I miss my family in Syria. When I left, my closest relatives were still alive. I miss my culture and society and the tight social bonds between relatives as well as the standard of living. Here in the United States there is technological advancement and abundant opportunities for growth and work, but it’s not life itself, and while one appreciates the individual freedoms in western societies, there are times when you really feel that you are alone, that you don’t have the moral family support that you have in the east. I’m not talking about one’s mother or father, but the wider family, relatives, that entity that makes you feel you are part of it, that’s what I miss most about my home country. Of course I miss the social life and wonderful food, but the most important thing is the outstanding cultural attributes which in general you don’t find in the West.

“If I had the chance to go back in time, I wouldn’t leave Syria or Lebanon at all. I would stay in my home country my whole life. I don’t say that out of emotion but out of common sense. I think I’ve wasted my energies and talents in the wrong place and in the wrong society. But that’s just theoretical talk, and what’s happened has happened.” So what remains of his Syrian identity and Arabic culture after nearly 60 years in America?

“I’m a non-practicing Muslim and I haven’t been on the Haj, but I believe in Islam in doctrine and culture, and I believe in the family. I have never experienced any problem or discrimination in the United States because of my religion or race. Other than my accent which might sometimes suggest that I’m from another country, I have completely integrated in society here. I advise young Arabs coming here, however, to get a university degree and not prolong their stay, as there are lots of opportunities in the Arab World today, particularly in the Gulf. The good minds of the Arab world must stay there, as they might be able to help their countries there more than they can here.

Father of invention

Responding to his being called the “father of invention”, Jandali says: “My daughter Mona is a famous writer, and my biological son is Steve Jobs, the chief executive of Apple. The reason he was put up for adoption was because my girlfriend’s father was extremely conservative and wouldn’t let her marry me, and she decided to give him up for adoption. Steve is my biological son, but I didn’t bring him up, and he has a family that adopted him. So if it’s said that I’m the ‘father of invention’, then that’s because my biological son is a genius and my daughter a brilliant writer. I thank God for my success in life, but I’m no inventor.

“I think that if my son Steve had been brought up with a Syrian name he would have achieved the same success. He has a brilliant mind. And he didn’t finish his university studies. That’s why I think he would have succeeded whatever his background. I don’t have a close relationship with him. I send him a message on his birthday, but neither of us has made overtures to come closer to the other. I tend to think that if he wants to spend time with me he knows where I am and how to get hold of me.

“I also bear the responsibility for being away from my daughter when she was four years old, as her mother divorced me when I went to Syria, but we got back in touch after 10 years. We lost touch again when her mother moved and I didn’t know where she was, but since 10 years ago we’ve been in constant contact and I see her three times a year. I organized a trip for her last year to visit Syria and Lebanon and she went with a relative from Florida. I always take the side of the mother because the son will always be happiest with his mother.

I’m proud of my son and his accomplishments, and of my work. Of course I made mistakes, and if I could go back in time I would have put some things right. I would have been closer to my son, but all’s well that ends well. Steve Jobs is one of the most successful people in America, and Mona is a successful academic and novelist.”

On the likelihood of Steve Jobs being regarded as an “American-Arab”, Jandali says: “I don’t think he pays much attention to these gene-related things. People know that he has Syrian origins and that his father is Syrian, that’s all well-known. But he doesn’t pay attention to these things. He has his own distinctive personality and he’s highly-strung. People who are geniuses can do what they want.”

Al Hayat

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241 responses to “Steve Jobs is a biological Arab-American with roots in Syria”

  1. Letsstayhonest Avatar
    Letsstayhonest

    Great human story. I applaud Mohannad for his life achievements, congratulate him for his two children. His experiences in the US could be very useful if he decides to move back to Syria.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I’ll congratulate him on only having two. 

  2.  Avatar

    Great human story. I applaud Mohannad for his life achievements, congratulate him for his two children. His experiences in the US could be very useful if he decides to move back to Syria.

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      Anonymous

      At age 80, the ride on a plane could do him in. 🙂  People obviously worry about that genetic connection too much … but it’s probably the reason for this story anyway. 🙂  Maybe a buffer against all the ones about Jewish people inventing everything. 🙂 Like if you had Eskimo parents, you know all about skinning a seal or harpooning a whale from a khayyak, or dancing with a polar bear – even if you were raised in Mexico. 🙂 
        So yes … good human interest story of one brain that wouldn’t quit. Interesting … but only for that.

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        Anonymous

        And wow … did I finally get a last word in on something???  😉

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          Anonymous

          Maybe …. 🙂

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          Anonymous

          Maybe …. 🙂

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      Anonymous

      I’ll congratulate him on only having two. 

  3. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    God why does he have to be a 7omse?

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      To prove to you that 7omses are smart .lol

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      A few chuckling over those ones, guys 🙂

  4. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    God why does he have to be a 7omse?

  5. God why does he have to be a 7omse?

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      To prove to you that 7omses are smart .lol

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      Anonymous

      A few chuckling over those ones, guys 🙂

  6. Karen Niemla Avatar
    Karen Niemla

    For the record, Steve Jobs has said more than once that Paul and Clara Jobs are his parents.

    1. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Karen,
      You are absolutely right… I adopted my son and we are extremely close. He reminds me DAILY that he wouldn’t have it any other way. From my experience, being an adoptive parent, I tell you a human is 25% genes and 75% life experience. There is no doubt that Steve Jobs’ ancestry played a role in his life but Paul and Clara shaped his life. It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics (although most of them do not have a clue about their real origin) and ignore the general theme of culture that shapes their destiny and daily lives. Steve grew up as an American kid under the influence of his adoptive parents and himself is a Buddhist by choice. It is funny that Mr. Jandali refers to Steve as “my son”. I really wonder if Steve ended up as a street sweeper if he would have referred to him as “my son”. Being a dad is really more than donating a sperm. It is BEING THERE.

      1. Dana Humphrey Avatar
        Dana Humphrey

        “It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics (although most of them do not have a clue about their real origin” from Hannibal ….this is an extremely RACIST remark, wow.  I think that the verdict in science is out on nature vs nurture, however this article was just sharing some information about where Steve Jobs came from, about who his biological parents were and their story, which is interesting. It is a shame people have to turn this into something more that that!! We are all HUMANS ultimately. And Mr. Janali did want to do the right thing and marry the mother at that time, unfortunately the German conservative parents won out and he was forced to be given up for adoption, a true shame. So, dont say they he just was a sperm donor, that is again degrading. Mr. Janali DID then marry Steve’s mother and have another child, so he obviously cared for Steve’s mother. I think Mr. Janali would have been proud of his son no matter what he did and it is unfortunate that he was not able have a closer relationship with him.

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          I fail to see where is the racism in my sentence. I lived most of my life in the ME and know the culture. Have you? or you just blab your mouth to be noticed? 23 people liked my comment and found no racism in it. How can I be racist about my own people? I am Lebanese and a Middle Eastern and I know for a fact that our problems stem from the fact that we are always trying to identify who our ancestors were (Arabs, Phoenicians, Greek, Roman, Persian, Turks etc. etc.) while failing to cherish the amalgam of rich history we have that from generation to generation we pass it on failing to see that it does not matter what our genetics carry our culture is what matters. Racist? where on Earth did you fish that out from? RE Steve he said it numerous time that Paul and Clara Jobs ARE MY PARENTS. I am not judging Mr. Jandali for what he did but being a dad is being there. You have issues Dana Humphrey. Get some help.

          1. Amer Maini Avatar
            Amer Maini

            I’m living my entire life in the Middle East, and what you say is too dumb to answer really. We, people in the Middle East do not and never cared about genetics, it is europeans and specifically Americans, British and Germans who were the pioneers of such a thought. People in the Middle East care about religion maybe, but not about genetics at all, in fact, they are a very mixed genetically.

            Calm down, this is just an interview with Steve’s biological father, he answered the questions well and honestly, what more is he supposed to do? There is none of the stuff you’re reading between the lines racist.

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            I said the same thing you are saying… If the answer is to me then reread my paragraph. If it is not then I apologize.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Certainly shows the influence that PARENTS can have on a whole life after birth. If one is taught properly at the mother’s knee, then life can be so much better.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          @5thDrawer:disqus You my friend always make sense…

        4. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Now Hannibal makes me blush … but thanks. Perhaps it’s moments without a lady around … they scramble my brain always. 🙂

        5. Shamisalman Avatar
          Shamisalman

          Thank you Dana you have spoken our minds.

        6. Patience2 Avatar
          Patience2

          I really like your last two sentences here!

        7. Patience2 Avatar
          Patience2

          I really like your last two sentences here!

      2. just curious what do you mean by the point that they do not have a clue about their real origin?

        Cheers

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          Recent DNA studies revealed how wrong many are about their real ancestry. For example, Christians may be of Arab descent whereas Sunnis (carrying the J2 haplotype) are Phoenicians and Shiites may be Europeans yet claiming to be descendants of the Prophet. Alas, Christians were fighting against Arabism and Sunnis carried the Arab mantra. Middle Eastern people are not a pure race. It is about a rich culture, a result of a beautiful history and not about belonging to ONE label.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Probably meant they were all Africans 1.5 million years ago … 🙂

      3. Hannibal, thank you for your reply. I have a feeling that you have mixed up few things. First of all Sunnis and Shia’ts are two sects in Islam and they have literally nothing based on ethnicities except for that yes perhaps Persians mostly make Shia’t population and that too is a shift only in last 600 years. Before the Shia’t revival in Persia they were predominantly Sunnis, in fact the most recent shift in sectarian divide was after the Iranian Islamic Revolution. 

        Shia’ts are very much present in Arabia, in fact if you have idea about the geography and politics of the region there are large Shia’t tribes in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Palestine and almost all of them are very much Arabs. In fact just like Persia you might find it interesting that Egyptians were also once majority Shia’ts (Fatimids) and were only Sunni-sed in last 400-500 years (University of Cairo was a Fatimid institution now a main chair of Sunni Islam). 

        I have a very strong feeling that you have really mixed up the things here. 
        As for the descendent theory, the one I know of is that Persians are ancestors of 80% European people. Whereas the Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon have a very strong European mix due to the years of interaction with Greeks, Romans and then Crusaders.

        I am still not sure how you can call it a confusion of Arabs towards their bloodlines when it is just a study of genetics, genealogy, migration patterns and of course history.

        As far as Prophet’s ancestry claim is concerned that is just one group of people who claim to be from the family of Prophet through his daughter Fatemah and her husband Ali. Not all Muslims, Arabs or Persians claim to be that and they make very small number of people (without having any scientific numbers I reckon even less than 1% of all Muslims). 

        In the end aren’t we all a colourful mix of cultures?

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          I have not… We are just talking about different things and different periods. I have been a student of history for a long time to mix things up. All what I am saying is exactly what you said in your last sentence. Frankly though you seem to be a learned person but do you honestly believe that our fellow compatriots know what you know? I beg to differ. Why then we have all those senseless killings and infightings. As far as the Eastern Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine….) the European bloodline was injected into their mix some 2000 years BC when the Sea People invaded the Levant (after some catastrophe that befell their lands) and destroyed the City States of the fertile crescent. They were welcomed by some Phoenician City States and became one people at which time the Phoenicians acquired the seafaring skills. My friends (mostly from the Eastern Levant) and myself decided to look into our DNA haplotypes and were surprised to see the results. Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European). J2 is a Levantine Gene. J1 is mostly Arabic (which makes up the majority of the Arabian peninsula) and R1B is mostly European. Of course you will find some sub clad variations but this is not relevant to this discussion. When we discuss things we need to be more specific as to what period we are alluring at. You seem to be stuck at the POST Mohammedan period when Islam spread northwardly. There were years of culture and events, important I must add, that defined who we are and YET we seem to be stuck into one era and unfortunately let religion define who we are. That my friend was, is and will be the downfall of this great nation.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Well .. colourful, yes. And using your estimates, it seems at least the Sunnis made SOME progress in 600 years … 😉
          But in a small biography of one man, I still fail to see where any of this has such debatable meaning.

      4. Hannibal, thank you for your reply. I have a feeling that you have mixed up few things. First of all Sunnis and Shia’ts are two sects in Islam and they have literally nothing based on ethnicities except for that yes perhaps Persians mostly make Shia’t population and that too is a shift only in last 600 years. Before the Shia’t revival in Persia they were predominantly Sunnis, in fact the most recent shift in sectarian divide was after the Iranian Islamic Revolution. 

        Shia’ts are very much present in Arabia, in fact if you have idea about the geography and politics of the region there are large Shia’t tribes in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Palestine and almost all of them are very much Arabs. In fact just like Persia you might find it interesting that Egyptians were also once majority Shia’ts (Fatimids) and were only Sunni-sed in last 400-500 years (University of Cairo was a Fatimid institution now a main chair of Sunni Islam). 

        I have a very strong feeling that you have really mixed up the things here. 
        As for the descendent theory, the one I know of is that Persians are ancestors of 80% European people. Whereas the Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon have a very strong European mix due to the years of interaction with Greeks, Romans and then Crusaders.

        I am still not sure how you can call it a confusion of Arabs towards their bloodlines when it is just a study of genetics, genealogy, migration patterns and of course history.

        As far as Prophet’s ancestry claim is concerned that is just one group of people who claim to be from the family of Prophet through his daughter Fatemah and her husband Ali. Not all Muslims, Arabs or Persians claim to be that and they make very small number of people (without having any scientific numbers I reckon even less than 1% of all Muslims). 

        In the end aren’t we all a colourful mix of cultures?

      5. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        “Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European)” <<< do you see your bias in this statement or need I point it out for you?
        and to make such a general sweeping statement you must have tested every single maronite? I think not, and I also think that you are full of missinformation.

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          Please do refer to Doctor Zalloua’s work published in National Geographic, he sampled people from ALL OVER Lebanon. His articles are scientifically proven and ONLINE. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE INSIST ON WRITING YOUR BIAS INTO HISTORY INSTEAD OF LOOKING INTO SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE? DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE PREJUDICED USELESS KIND!YES I AM SHOUTING! kell waa7ad beched men maylo… zheqna baqa… Live and fucking let live.Here are the facts: 29% of Lebanese Syrians Palestinians Israelis and Jordanians ARE ARABS, 29% ARE Phoenician/Canaanites/Aramaic, and 29% are Europeans. The rest 3% are Persians/Ethiopian/North Africans. That spread is also seen in Tunisia (Old Carthage), Spain (Barcelona The city of Barca), Malta, Sicily, and Cyprus. Read the scientific literature and make sense of what we know about history. Bias my ass. I am a Maronite and of European descent. Does it make me less Lebanese or Phoenician or Arab or whatever the heck you want to label me? I can list my male ancestors for the past generations all the way to 600 years back in my Church records ALL the way to BEFORE the Crusades. So IF I am not a descendent of Crusaders where do I fit? Sea People? Greek Macedonian? Roman? Byzantine? Ottoman? Take your pick… I am still a Lebanese abban 3an jedd BUT I AM NO PHOENICIAN AND NO ARAB… I wish this bullshit goes away and above all this religious nonsense with it which is driving MOST train of thoughts.

      6. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        “Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European)” <<< do you see your bias in this statement or need I point it out for you?
        and to make such a general sweeping statement you must have tested every single maronite? I think not, and I also think that you are full of missinformation.

      7. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        ” 29% of Lebanese Syrians Palestinians Israelis and Jordanians ARE ARABS, 29% ARE Phoenician/Canaanites/Aramaic, and 29% are Europeans. The rest 3% are Persians/Ethiopian/North Africans”   <<<< this is what I mean when I say you are full of missinformation, those were not the findings of his studies. why dont you heed your own advice and go look at his pie chart which is day and night from what you tried to protray here.
        the largest sum was 28% and it was phoenician, the second largest was arab which was 18% then the next one down european and it was less then 10%…. but 1/3 and 1/3 and 1/3 sounds better I guess loooool funny guy you are, getting mad cause someone is not buying your bullshit 😉

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          of course those numbers fluctuate as you move North, South or East… I was referring to an average Levantine. As a matter of fact the Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian mediterranean shore is of a majority J2 and J1. I won’t go into the details as of the why because it is obvious. Our Lebanese mountains are of a majority J2 and R1bs because of the aramaic ancestry. What I was alluring to was a whole nation from African North to the islands (Malta 33% Phoenician), passing by Arabia (Majority J1) all the way to the Northern Levant (Turkey). Now if your isolationist mind is thinking obviously you pick and choose as you see fit. However DO NOT FORGET RECENT HISTORY (may be you are too green or young to fathom this) but Palestinians and Iraqis for instance are the descendants of the Canaanites and it shows in their DNA makeup of being 25% J2. Also during recent events i.e. late 1800s – early 1900s a lot of families switched religions. For instance the Mamluks transplanted the Ba7tar tribes (التنّوخيّين العرب) in Beirut, Sidon and Tyre to stop the Maronites from cooperating with the Crusaders in Cyprus and protect the Lebanese shores. Those same Arabs later adopted Christianity and Durzi faith, that is why 50% of Abi-el Lama3 are Christians and the other half is Druze. So literally during the mountains war if you do not consider that fratricide what would? A lot of Shiites also became Christians (Abdallah family) and the Ma3en (Originally Sunnis) took the Druze faith (Fakhr el Diin) and the Shehab family from 7aasbayya (Some of them in Turkey still follow the Sunni faith) adopted the Maronite faith. Going back further in time when Islam tightened the grip on the Christians many found refuge in Lebanon (during the umayaat) and adopted the Maronite faith (al-Khaazen of Kesreouan originally from 7uuraan, al-ghassaasina like aal-Mel7em) and hence the J1 haplotype amongst the Maronites. After the Crusades lost Jerusalem, Akka and then Tripoli most left going back to Europe and very few were left behind like the Franjieh family, bardawiil, Salibi etc… but that alone does not explain the R1b subclasses amongst the Lebanese. The weirdest thing is that the Sunnis of Lebanon and Syria and Palestine claim their Arab origin and it is FAR from the truth, because their majority is Kurds, Turkman which belong to the Indo-European tribes adopting Islam with the rise of the Ottomans and the Christian who are third Arabs look West and claim to be Phoenicians. (I am not saying that considerable number of Maronites or other Christians are not J2s). Well that is a little taste but the reality is a little more complex than that. So I appreciate you NOT condescendingly talking in that tone to me Mr keyboard warrior. Last thing I need is a kid behind a keyboard whose rich daddy bought him to give me lessons in history. 
          Last thing even if you do insult me this is the last thread of this topic I would answer. I won’t be dragged into a dumb futile discussion. Those facts are solid so go check them out if you’d like.
          At the end we are ONE family through a beautiful history rich and interesting and we share a beautiful culture, too bad it is soiled by religion.
          Best Regards,
          Hannibal

      8. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        “So I appreciate you NOT condescendingly talking in that tone to me Mr keyboard warrior. Last thing I need is a kid behind a keyboard whose rich daddy bought him to give me lessons in history. Last thing even if you do insult me this is the last thread of this topic I would answer. I won’t be dragged into a dumb futile discussion. ”   <<<< hahah like i said you are a funny guy.
        lecturing me about not being condescending towards you while you are calling me a spoiled rich kid who doesnt know anything, the epitomy of hypocrisy resides in your head, no one is being conscending towards you, I was speaking as a matter of factly, you stated some falshoods that were aimed at passifying the general public's ego(not hurting anyone's feelings).
        now, as far as people going from christianity to islam and vise versa, I am not disputing this, before the mohammadean invasions though the arabs were confined to a small area and didnt exist in the levant, this is meerly a 1400 yr history that's all. you may find those "christian" communities which did not mix nor mingle with the invaders, whether maronites or orthodox or whatever, they came from the syrian and lebanese mountains, the coastal cities is where everything got mixed up, but up in the mountains things remained segregated, even to this day you see this, one orthodox town, another maronite town etc…
        either way, you can take any set of data and translate it to suit your purpose I suppose, or perhaps not, or maybe the test is flawed or even the conducter of the test is flawed? perhaps there needs to be an extensive study of the matter and not just generalized bullshit like what that "dr" did.
        there was a team of researchers trying to find out what was the reason that some people were immune to the aids virus, the research led them (in england) to a small town which was so well preserved (the bloodline) it goes back to the days the plague was sweeping through and taking out towns and cities as wholes in the dark ages.
        in lebanon there is alot of history and the people (even if 30%) phoenician, then that history must be commemorated and not adopting some arab invader identity. the problem is the muslims who want everyone to be arab, we are not arab we were invaded by arabs, invaded by europeans, invaded by everyone almost, but who are we? I say phonician I say lebanese, I say laban(as the Bible calls our land) the spanish invaded mexico(the land) the mexicans didnt become spanish, the spaniards became mexicans though, how the hell do the arabs invade our land and force us to call ourselves arab? explain this one to me mr. aflatan.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Regarding those mountains … People are shaped by their Geography as much as anything … survival of a species is heavy on ‘location, location, location’. What we forget is that we’re all the same species … 
          Now, however, we have internet and Skype. 🙂 Can’t we forget those valleys on occasion?

      9. Hahah… dearest Hannibal… after reading (and trying to keep up with) this wonderfully long & meaningful crash course about the ME – this thread had become…, I can sum it up for myself as *things do happen for a reason*…
        If only you’ve stated what your backgrounds (what references you used when you said “It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics….”) were in this 1st comment you made…, then we probably won’t be getting this new knowledge we’re all now keeping in our minds!

        Thanks to Dana Humphrey for scolding Hannibal though, I think… ^_^ (it’s what started it all, right?)

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          47 people liked my post… ENOUGH SAID!

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Had noticed that Hannibal. 🙂 VERY good. 🙂
            (Must be a trophy around here somewhere … some kind of record for sure.)
          Cudos to you. Simple accurate logic.

  7. Karen Niemla Avatar
    Karen Niemla

    For the record, Steve Jobs has said more than once that Paul and Clara Jobs are his parents.

  8. For the record, Steve Jobs has said more than once that Paul and Clara Jobs are his parents.

    1. Karen,
      You are absolutely right… I adopted my son and we are extremely close. He reminds me DAILY that he wouldn’t have it any other way. From my experience, being an adoptive parent, I tell you a human is 25% genes and 75% life experience. There is no doubt that Steve Jobs’ ancestry played a role in his life but Paul and Clara shaped his life. It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics (although most of them do not have a clue about their real origin) and ignore the general theme of culture that shapes their destiny and daily lives. Steve grew up as an American kid under the influence of his adoptive parents and himself is a Buddhist by choice. It is funny that Mr. Jandali refers to Steve as “my son”. I really wonder if Steve ended up as a street sweeper if he would have referred to him as “my son”. Being a dad is really more than donating a sperm. It is BEING THERE.

      1. Dana Humphrey Avatar
        Dana Humphrey

        “It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics (although most of them do not have a clue about their real origin” from Hannibal ….this is an extremely RACIST remark, wow.  I think that the verdict in science is out on nature vs nurture, however this article was just sharing some information about where Steve Jobs came from, about who his biological parents were and their story, which is interesting. It is a shame people have to turn this into something more that that!! We are all HUMANS ultimately. And Mr. Janali did want to do the right thing and marry the mother at that time, unfortunately the German conservative parents won out and he was forced to be given up for adoption, a true shame. So, dont say they he just was a sperm donor, that is again degrading. Mr. Janali DID then marry Steve’s mother and have another child, so he obviously cared for Steve’s mother. I think Mr. Janali would have been proud of his son no matter what he did and it is unfortunate that he was not able have a closer relationship with him.

        1. I fail to see where is the racism in my sentence. I lived most of my life in the ME and know the culture. Have you? or you just blab your mouth to be noticed? 23 people liked my comment and found no racism in it. How can I be racist about my own people? I am Lebanese and a Middle Eastern and I know for a fact that our problems stem from the fact that we are always trying to identify who our ancestors were (Arabs, Phoenicians, Greek, Roman, Persian, Turks etc. etc.) while failing to cherish the amalgam of rich history we have that from generation to generation we pass it on failing to see that it does not matter what our genetics carry our culture is what matters. Racist? where on Earth did you fish that out from? RE Steve he said it numerous time that Paul and Clara Jobs ARE MY PARENTS. I am not judging Mr. Jandali for what he did but being a dad is being there. You have issues Dana Humphrey. Get some help.

          1. Amer Maini Avatar
            Amer Maini

            I’m living my entire life in the Middle East, and what you say is too dumb to answer really. We, people in the Middle East do not and never cared about genetics, it is europeans and specifically Americans, British and Germans who were the pioneers of such a thought. People in the Middle East care about religion maybe, but not about genetics at all, in fact, they are a very mixed genetically.

            Calm down, this is just an interview with Steve’s biological father, he answered the questions well and honestly, what more is he supposed to do? There is none of the stuff you’re reading between the lines racist.

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            I said the same thing you are saying… If the answer is to me then reread my paragraph. If it is not then I apologize.

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          Anonymous

          Certainly shows the influence that PARENTS can have on a whole life after birth. If one is taught properly at the mother’s knee, then life can be so much better.

        3. @5thDrawer:disqus You my friend always make sense…

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          Anonymous

          Now Hannibal makes me blush … but thanks. Perhaps it’s moments without a lady around … they scramble my brain always. 🙂

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          Thank you Dana you have spoken our minds.

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          Anonymous

          I really like your last two sentences here!

      2. just curious what do you mean by the point that they do not have a clue about their real origin?

        Cheers

        1. Recent DNA studies revealed how wrong many are about their real ancestry. For example, Christians may be of Arab descent whereas Sunnis (carrying the J2 haplotype) are Phoenicians and Shiites may be Europeans yet claiming to be descendants of the Prophet. Alas, Christians were fighting against Arabism and Sunnis carried the Arab mantra. Middle Eastern people are not a pure race. It is about a rich culture, a result of a beautiful history and not about belonging to ONE label.

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          Anonymous

          Probably meant they were all Africans 1.5 million years ago … 🙂

      3. Hannibal, thank you for your reply. I have a feeling that you have mixed up few things. First of all Sunnis and Shia’ts are two sects in Islam and they have literally nothing based on ethnicities except for that yes perhaps Persians mostly make Shia’t population and that too is a shift only in last 600 years. Before the Shia’t revival in Persia they were predominantly Sunnis, in fact the most recent shift in sectarian divide was after the Iranian Islamic Revolution. 

        Shia’ts are very much present in Arabia, in fact if you have idea about the geography and politics of the region there are large Shia’t tribes in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Palestine and almost all of them are very much Arabs. In fact just like Persia you might find it interesting that Egyptians were also once majority Shia’ts (Fatimids) and were only Sunni-sed in last 400-500 years (University of Cairo was a Fatimid institution now a main chair of Sunni Islam). 

        I have a very strong feeling that you have really mixed up the things here. 
        As for the descendent theory, the one I know of is that Persians are ancestors of 80% European people. Whereas the Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon have a very strong European mix due to the years of interaction with Greeks, Romans and then Crusaders.

        I am still not sure how you can call it a confusion of Arabs towards their bloodlines when it is just a study of genetics, genealogy, migration patterns and of course history.

        As far as Prophet’s ancestry claim is concerned that is just one group of people who claim to be from the family of Prophet through his daughter Fatemah and her husband Ali. Not all Muslims, Arabs or Persians claim to be that and they make very small number of people (without having any scientific numbers I reckon even less than 1% of all Muslims). 

        In the end aren’t we all a colourful mix of cultures?

        1. I have not… We are just talking about different things and different periods. I have been a student of history for a long time to mix things up. All what I am saying is exactly what you said in your last sentence. Frankly though you seem to be a learned person but do you honestly believe that our fellow compatriots know what you know? I beg to differ. Why then we have all those senseless killings and infightings. As far as the Eastern Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine….) the European bloodline was injected into their mix some 2000 years BC when the Sea People invaded the Levant (after some catastrophe that befell their lands) and destroyed the City States of the fertile crescent. They were welcomed by some Phoenician City States and became one people at which time the Phoenicians acquired the seafaring skills. My friends (mostly from the Eastern Levant) and myself decided to look into our DNA haplotypes and were surprised to see the results. Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European). J2 is a Levantine Gene. J1 is mostly Arabic (which makes up the majority of the Arabian peninsula) and R1B is mostly European. Of course you will find some sub clad variations but this is not relevant to this discussion. When we discuss things we need to be more specific as to what period we are alluring at. You seem to be stuck at the POST Mohammedan period when Islam spread northwardly. There were years of culture and events, important I must add, that defined who we are and YET we seem to be stuck into one era and unfortunately let religion define who we are. That my friend was, is and will be the downfall of this great nation.

        2. I have not… We are just talking about different things and different periods. I have been a student of history for a long time to mix things up. All what I am saying is exactly what you said in your last sentence. Frankly though you seem to be a learned person but do you honestly believe that our fellow compatriots know what you know? I beg to differ. Why then we have all those senseless killings and infightings. As far as the Eastern Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine….) the European bloodline was injected into their mix some 2000 years BC when the Sea People invaded the Levant (after some catastrophe that befell their lands) and destroyed the City States of the fertile crescent. They were welcomed by some Phoenician City States and became one people at which time the Phoenicians acquired the seafaring skills. My friends (mostly from the Eastern Levant) and myself decided to look into our DNA haplotypes and were surprised to see the results. Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European). J2 is a Levantine Gene. J1 is mostly Arabic (which makes up the majority of the Arabian peninsula) and R1B is mostly European. Of course you will find some sub clad variations but this is not relevant to this discussion. When we discuss things we need to be more specific as to what period we are alluring at. You seem to be stuck at the POST Mohammedan period when Islam spread northwardly. There were years of culture and events, important I must add, that defined who we are and YET we seem to be stuck into one era and unfortunately let religion define who we are. That my friend was, is and will be the downfall of this great nation.

        3. I have not… We are just talking about different things and different periods. I have been a student of history for a long time to mix things up. All what I am saying is exactly what you said in your last sentence. Frankly though you seem to be a learned person but do you honestly believe that our fellow compatriots know what you know? I beg to differ. Why then we have all those senseless killings and infightings. As far as the Eastern Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine….) the European bloodline was injected into their mix some 2000 years BC when the Sea People invaded the Levant (after some catastrophe that befell their lands) and destroyed the City States of the fertile crescent. They were welcomed by some Phoenician City States and became one people at which time the Phoenicians acquired the seafaring skills. My friends (mostly from the Eastern Levant) and myself decided to look into our DNA haplotypes and were surprised to see the results. Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European). J2 is a Levantine Gene. J1 is mostly Arabic (which makes up the majority of the Arabian peninsula) and R1B is mostly European. Of course you will find some sub clad variations but this is not relevant to this discussion. When we discuss things we need to be more specific as to what period we are alluring at. You seem to be stuck at the POST Mohammedan period when Islam spread northwardly. There were years of culture and events, important I must add, that defined who we are and YET we seem to be stuck into one era and unfortunately let religion define who we are. That my friend was, is and will be the downfall of this great nation.

        4. I have not… We are just talking about different things and different periods. I have been a student of history for a long time to mix things up. All what I am saying is exactly what you said in your last sentence. Frankly though you seem to be a learned person but do you honestly believe that our fellow compatriots know what you know? I beg to differ. Why then we have all those senseless killings and infightings. As far as the Eastern Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Palestine….) the European bloodline was injected into their mix some 2000 years BC when the Sea People invaded the Levant (after some catastrophe that befell their lands) and destroyed the City States of the fertile crescent. They were welcomed by some Phoenician City States and became one people at which time the Phoenicians acquired the seafaring skills. My friends (mostly from the Eastern Levant) and myself decided to look into our DNA haplotypes and were surprised to see the results. Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European). J2 is a Levantine Gene. J1 is mostly Arabic (which makes up the majority of the Arabian peninsula) and R1B is mostly European. Of course you will find some sub clad variations but this is not relevant to this discussion. When we discuss things we need to be more specific as to what period we are alluring at. You seem to be stuck at the POST Mohammedan period when Islam spread northwardly. There were years of culture and events, important I must add, that defined who we are and YET we seem to be stuck into one era and unfortunately let religion define who we are. That my friend was, is and will be the downfall of this great nation.

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          Anonymous

          Well .. colourful, yes. And using your estimates, it seems at least the Sunnis made SOME progress in 600 years … 😉
          But in a small biography of one man, I still fail to see where any of this has such debatable meaning.

      4. Hannibal, thank you for your reply. I have a feeling that you have mixed up few things. First of all Sunnis and Shia’ts are two sects in Islam and they have literally nothing based on ethnicities except for that yes perhaps Persians mostly make Shia’t population and that too is a shift only in last 600 years. Before the Shia’t revival in Persia they were predominantly Sunnis, in fact the most recent shift in sectarian divide was after the Iranian Islamic Revolution. 

        Shia’ts are very much present in Arabia, in fact if you have idea about the geography and politics of the region there are large Shia’t tribes in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Palestine and almost all of them are very much Arabs. In fact just like Persia you might find it interesting that Egyptians were also once majority Shia’ts (Fatimids) and were only Sunni-sed in last 400-500 years (University of Cairo was a Fatimid institution now a main chair of Sunni Islam). 

        I have a very strong feeling that you have really mixed up the things here. 
        As for the descendent theory, the one I know of is that Persians are ancestors of 80% European people. Whereas the Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon have a very strong European mix due to the years of interaction with Greeks, Romans and then Crusaders.

        I am still not sure how you can call it a confusion of Arabs towards their bloodlines when it is just a study of genetics, genealogy, migration patterns and of course history.

        As far as Prophet’s ancestry claim is concerned that is just one group of people who claim to be from the family of Prophet through his daughter Fatemah and her husband Ali. Not all Muslims, Arabs or Persians claim to be that and they make very small number of people (without having any scientific numbers I reckon even less than 1% of all Muslims). 

        In the end aren’t we all a colourful mix of cultures?

      5.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        “Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European)” <<< do you see your bias in this statement or need I point it out for you?
        and to make such a general sweeping statement you must have tested every single maronite? I think not, and I also think that you are full of missinformation.

        1. Please do refer to Doctor Zalloua’s work published in National Geographic, he sampled people from ALL OVER Lebanon. His articles are scientifically proven and ONLINE. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE INSIST ON WRITING YOUR BIAS INTO HISTORY INSTEAD OF LOOKING INTO SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE? DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE PREJUDICED USELESS KIND!YES I AM SHOUTING! kell waa7ad beched men maylo… zheqna baqa… Live and fucking let live.Here are the facts: 29% of Lebanese Syrians Palestinians Israelis and Jordanians ARE ARABS, 29% ARE Phoenician/Canaanites/Aramaic, and 29% are Europeans. The rest 3% are Persians/Ethiopian/North Africans. That spread is also seen in Tunisia (Old Carthage), Spain (Barcelona The city of Barca), Malta, Sicily, and Cyprus. Read the scientific literature and make sense of what we know about history. Bias my ass. I am a Maronite and of European descent. Does it make me less Lebanese or Phoenician or Arab or whatever the heck you want to label me? I can list my male ancestors for the past generations all the way to 600 years back in my Church records ALL the way to BEFORE the Crusades. So IF I am not a descendent of Crusaders where do I fit? Sea People? Greek Macedonian? Roman? Byzantine? Ottoman? Take your pick… I am still a Lebanese abban 3an jedd BUT I AM NO PHOENICIAN AND NO ARAB… I wish this bullshit goes away and above all this religious nonsense with it which is driving MOST train of thoughts.

        2. Please do refer to Doctor Zalloua’s work published in National Geographic, he sampled people from ALL OVER Lebanon. His articles are scientifically proven and ONLINE. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE INSIST ON WRITING YOUR BIAS INTO HISTORY INSTEAD OF LOOKING INTO SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE? DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE PREJUDICED USELESS KIND!YES I AM SHOUTING! kell waa7ad beched men maylo… zheqna baqa… Live and fucking let live.Here are the facts: 29% of Lebanese Syrians Palestinians Israelis and Jordanians ARE ARABS, 29% ARE Phoenician/Canaanites/Aramaic, and 29% are Europeans. The rest 3% are Persians/Ethiopian/North Africans. That spread is also seen in Tunisia (Old Carthage), Spain (Barcelona The city of Barca), Malta, Sicily, and Cyprus. Read the scientific literature and make sense of what we know about history. Bias my ass. I am a Maronite and of European descent. Does it make me less Lebanese or Phoenician or Arab or whatever the heck you want to label me? I can list my male ancestors for the past generations all the way to 600 years back in my Church records ALL the way to BEFORE the Crusades. So IF I am not a descendent of Crusaders where do I fit? Sea People? Greek Macedonian? Roman? Byzantine? Ottoman? Take your pick… I am still a Lebanese abban 3an jedd BUT I AM NO PHOENICIAN AND NO ARAB… I wish this bullshit goes away and above all this religious nonsense with it which is driving MOST train of thoughts.

      6.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        “Some Shiites were of European haplotypes, Some Sunnis carried the J2 (Phoenician) haplotype others were J1 (Arab) and my biggest laugh was when Christians Maronites were third J1, third J2 and third R1B (European)” <<< do you see your bias in this statement or need I point it out for you?
        and to make such a general sweeping statement you must have tested every single maronite? I think not, and I also think that you are full of missinformation.

      7.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        ” 29% of Lebanese Syrians Palestinians Israelis and Jordanians ARE ARABS, 29% ARE Phoenician/Canaanites/Aramaic, and 29% are Europeans. The rest 3% are Persians/Ethiopian/North Africans”   <<<< this is what I mean when I say you are full of missinformation, those were not the findings of his studies. why dont you heed your own advice and go look at his pie chart which is day and night from what you tried to protray here.
        the largest sum was 28% and it was phoenician, the second largest was arab which was 18% then the next one down european and it was less then 10%…. but 1/3 and 1/3 and 1/3 sounds better I guess loooool funny guy you are, getting mad cause someone is not buying your bullshit 😉

        1. of course those numbers fluctuate as you move North, South or East… I was referring to an average Levantine. As a matter of fact the Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian mediterranean shore is of a majority J2 and J1. I won’t go into the details as of the why because it is obvious. Our Lebanese mountains are of a majority J2 and R1bs because of the aramaic ancestry. What I was alluring to was a whole nation from African North to the islands (Malta 33% Phoenician), passing by Arabia (Majority J1) all the way to the Northern Levant (Turkey). Now if your isolationist mind is thinking obviously you pick and choose as you see fit. However DO NOT FORGET RECENT HISTORY (may be you are too green or young to fathom this) but Palestinians and Iraqis for instance are the descendants of the Canaanites and it shows in their DNA makeup of being 25% J2. Also during recent events i.e. late 1800s – early 1900s a lot of families switched religions. For instance the Mamluks transplanted the Ba7tar tribes (التنّوخيّين العرب) in Beirut, Sidon and Tyre to stop the Maronites from cooperating with the Crusaders in Cyprus and protect the Lebanese shores. Those same Arabs later adopted Christianity and Durzi faith, that is why 50% of Abi-el Lama3 are Christians and the other half is Druze. So literally during the mountains war if you do not consider that fratricide what would? A lot of Shiites also became Christians (Abdallah family) and the Ma3en (Originally Sunnis) took the Druze faith (Fakhr el Diin) and the Shehab family from 7aasbayya (Some of them in Turkey still follow the Sunni faith) adopted the Maronite faith. Going back further in time when Islam tightened the grip on the Christians many found refuge in Lebanon (during the umayaat) and adopted the Maronite faith (al-Khaazen of Kesreouan originally from 7uuraan, al-ghassaasina like aal-Mel7em) and hence the J1 haplotype amongst the Maronites. After the Crusades lost Jerusalem, Akka and then Tripoli most left going back to Europe and very few were left behind like the Franjieh family, bardawiil, Salibi etc… but that alone does not explain the R1b subclasses amongst the Lebanese. The weirdest thing is that the Sunnis of Lebanon and Syria and Palestine claim their Arab origin and it is FAR from the truth, because their majority is Kurds, Turkman which belong to the Indo-European tribes adopting Islam with the rise of the Ottomans and the Christian who are third Arabs look West and claim to be Phoenicians. (I am not saying that considerable number of Maronites or other Christians are not J2s). Well that is a little taste but the reality is a little more complex than that. So I appreciate you NOT condescendingly talking in that tone to me Mr keyboard warrior. Last thing I need is a kid behind a keyboard whose rich daddy bought him to give me lessons in history. 
          Last thing even if you do insult me this is the last thread of this topic I would answer. I won’t be dragged into a dumb futile discussion. Those facts are solid so go check them out if you’d like.
          At the end we are ONE family through a beautiful history rich and interesting and we share a beautiful culture, too bad it is soiled by religion.
          Best Regards,
          Hannibal

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        Anonymous

        “So I appreciate you NOT condescendingly talking in that tone to me Mr keyboard warrior. Last thing I need is a kid behind a keyboard whose rich daddy bought him to give me lessons in history. Last thing even if you do insult me this is the last thread of this topic I would answer. I won’t be dragged into a dumb futile discussion. ”   <<<< hahah like i said you are a funny guy.
        lecturing me about not being condescending towards you while you are calling me a spoiled rich kid who doesnt know anything, the epitomy of hypocrisy resides in your head, no one is being conscending towards you, I was speaking as a matter of factly, you stated some falshoods that were aimed at passifying the general public's ego(not hurting anyone's feelings).
        now, as far as people going from christianity to islam and vise versa, I am not disputing this, before the mohammadean invasions though the arabs were confined to a small area and didnt exist in the levant, this is meerly a 1400 yr history that's all. you may find those "christian" communities which did not mix nor mingle with the invaders, whether maronites or orthodox or whatever, they came from the syrian and lebanese mountains, the coastal cities is where everything got mixed up, but up in the mountains things remained segregated, even to this day you see this, one orthodox town, another maronite town etc…
        either way, you can take any set of data and translate it to suit your purpose I suppose, or perhaps not, or maybe the test is flawed or even the conducter of the test is flawed? perhaps there needs to be an extensive study of the matter and not just generalized bullshit like what that "dr" did.
        there was a team of researchers trying to find out what was the reason that some people were immune to the aids virus, the research led them (in england) to a small town which was so well preserved (the bloodline) it goes back to the days the plague was sweeping through and taking out towns and cities as wholes in the dark ages.
        in lebanon there is alot of history and the people (even if 30%) phoenician, then that history must be commemorated and not adopting some arab invader identity. the problem is the muslims who want everyone to be arab, we are not arab we were invaded by arabs, invaded by europeans, invaded by everyone almost, but who are we? I say phonician I say lebanese, I say laban(as the Bible calls our land) the spanish invaded mexico(the land) the mexicans didnt become spanish, the spaniards became mexicans though, how the hell do the arabs invade our land and force us to call ourselves arab? explain this one to me mr. aflatan.

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          Anonymous

          Regarding those mountains … People are shaped by their Geography as much as anything … survival of a species is heavy on ‘location, location, location’. What we forget is that we’re all the same species … 
          Now, however, we have internet and Skype. 🙂 Can’t we forget those valleys on occasion?

      9. Hahah… dearest Hannibal… after reading (and trying to keep up with) this wonderfully long & meaningful crash course about the ME – this thread had become…, I can sum it up for myself as *things do happen for a reason*…
        If only you’ve stated what your backgrounds (what references you used when you said “It is sad though that Middle Eastern people in general look at the genetics….”) were in this 1st comment you made…, then we probably won’t be getting this new knowledge we’re all now keeping in our minds!

        Thanks to Dana Humphrey for scolding Hannibal though, I think… ^_^ (it’s what started it all, right?)

        1. 47 people liked my post… ENOUGH SAID!

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          Anonymous

          Had noticed that Hannibal. 🙂 VERY good. 🙂
            (Must be a trophy around here somewhere … some kind of record for sure.)
          Cudos to you. Simple accurate logic.

  9. The AUB Alumni Association will be honored if Mr. Jandali will visit Lebanon in order to meet fellow graduates from the American University of Beirut. We can prepare a very impressive meeting to honor Mr. Jandali.

    Kindly reply to : ramouz1@gmail.com

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Let’s hope he gets a better welcome than the last guy you invited … and then banned.

  10. The AUB Alumni Association will be honored if Mr. Jandali will visit Lebanon in order to meet fellow graduates from the American University of Beirut. We can prepare a very impressive meeting to honor Mr. Jandali.

    Kindly reply to : ramouz1@gmail.com

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      Anonymous

      Let’s hope he gets a better welcome than the last guy you invited … and then banned.

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      Anonymous

      Let’s hope he gets a better welcome than the last guy you invited … and then banned.

  11. Abdul Fattah Jandali d’orígen Siri i pare biològic d’Steve Jobs, parla per primera vegada de la seva història als 79 anys.

  12. Abdul Fattah Jandali d’orígen Siri i pare biològic d’Steve Jobs, parla per primera vegada de la seva història als 79 anys.

  13. Abdul Fattah Jandali d’orígen Siri i pare biològic d’Steve Jobs, parla per primera vegada de la seva història als 79 anys.

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    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. This is as true as the headline of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated. 

  15. GregorBrand Avatar
    GregorBrand

    Steve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. That is as true as the title of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated. 

    1. the article is not denying that fact. it is just mentioning and exploring his one side of the parents and its a lebanese site. Its not about why SJobs is genius; its just showing his Arab linkage. I respect the Germans for their contribution to the world.

      1. (please delete my comment)

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    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. That is as true as the title of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated. 

    1. the article is not denying that fact. it is just mentioning and exploring his one side of the parents and its a lebanese site. Its not about why SJobs is genius; its just showing his Arab linkage. I respect the Germans for their contribution to the world.

      1. You meant to say “Levantine”, not “Lebanese”, did you?

  17. Listen no one is unederstimating the root of the mother we only  underlining the real root of is father . I detect in your comment a frustation based on a old German superiority complexe….

    1. GregorBrand Avatar
      GregorBrand

      Why should I be more frustrated than you? When you point to his father’s roots, it’s okay – but when I point to his mother’s roots, it’s “old German superiority complex”? That’s unjust and absurd.

      1. His mother is American. His father was Arab. The title says he is Arab-American. You would have to go back several generations to get to his mother’s ancestral German roots. It’s fair to call him an Arab-American, that includes both sides. If we go back far enough, we’re all African, so you might as well complain that the article doesn’t bear the headline Steve Jobs is African!

        1. Did he (Steve) ever admitted any Arab identity that others try so hard to put on him? I think NO. He is purely American

      2. His mother is American. His father was Arab. The title says he is Arab-American. You would have to go back several generations to get to his mother’s ancestral German roots. It’s fair to call him an Arab-American, that includes both sides. If we go back far enough, we’re all African, so you might as well complain that the article doesn’t bear the headline Steve Jobs is African!

    2. You are stating that Steve job is a biological German and you find it disturbing that is mother is neglected. These are strong words, for a mere article that explain where is biological father came from don’t you think, and they mention is mother several time…

      1. GregorBrand Avatar
        GregorBrand

        The article states: “Steve Jobs is a biological Arab-American”. I added to that the simple fact that Steve Jobs has not only a biological father, but also a mother. Don’t you know that someone’s biology and identity isn’t made from his father alone? 

        1. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          the article does not disregard his mother’s roots but the background of his mother is not going to be as interesting to the audience of this article whose majority are arabs as the one chosen here.

          i like this article and i feel with jandali, i can relate to his missing things in syria and not just relatives as well as i am proud that beirut was a shining spot in his life.

          it is unfortunate that he does not have a close relationship with his only son…that must be hard for him.

          the old man is correct, we need more poeple like him back home…in ME.

  18. Listen no one is unederstimating the root of the mother we only  underlining the real root of is father . I detect in your comment a frustation based on a old German superiority complexe….

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      Anonymous

      Why should I be more frustrated than you? When you point to his father’s roots, it’s okay – but when I point to his mother’s roots, it’s “old German superiority complex”? That’s unjust and absurd.

      1. His mother is American. His father was Arab. The title says he is Arab-American. You would have to go back several generations to get to his mother’s ancestral German roots. It’s fair to call him an Arab-American, that includes both sides. If we go back far enough, we’re all African, so you might as well complain that the article doesn’t bear the headline Steve Jobs is African!

        1. Did he (Steve) ever admitted any Arab identity that others try so hard to put on him? I think NO. He is purely American

    2.  You are stating that Steve job is a biological German and you find it disturbing that is mother is neglected. These are strong words, for a mere article that explain where is biological father came from don’t you think.

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        Anonymous

        The article states: “Steve Jobs is a biological Arab-American”. I added to that the simple fact that Steve Jobs has not only a biological father, but also a mother. Don’t you know that someone’s biology and identity isn’t made from his father alone? 

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          Anonymous

          the article does not disregard his mother’s roots but the background of his mother is not going to be as interesting to the audience of this article whose majority are arabs as the one chosen here.

          i like this article and i feel with jandali, i can relate to his missing things in syria and not just relatives as well as i am proud that beirut was a shining spot in his life.

          it is unfortunate that he does not have a close relationship with his only son…that must be hard for him.

          the old man is correct, we need more poeple like him back home…in ME.

  19. GregorBrand 4 hours agoSteve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. That is as true as the title of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated.

  20. GregorBrand 4 hours agoSteve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. That is as true as the title of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated.

  21. GregorBrand 4 hours agoSteve Jobs is a biological German with roots in Germany and Switzerland. That is as true as the title of the above article. I find it quite disturbing that his biological mother Joanne SCHIEBLE whose ancestors came from Germany and Switzerland is so neglected. Given the undisputed fact that Germans have been for centuries masters of technology and invention, the contribution of Jobs’ maternal heritage should not be underestimated.

  22. Steve Jobs

    Min Homs ?

  23. Steve Jobs

    Min Homs ?

  24. Edward Whalley Avatar
    Edward Whalley

    Always thought he had that kind of look….

  25. Always thought he had that kind of look….

  26.  thats pretty interesting and exiting.
    What does Steve Jobs have to say to this. And he does have a great father, who’s brave and accepts responsibility.

    1. I agree, Steve Jobs’ biological father IS a brave and responsible man. 

      He studied and earned a Ph.D., and taught as a university professor. He was honorable and married the former Joanne Sciebele, and they had a beautiful, brilliant daughter. Mr. Jandali also acted with compassion and understanding toward Steve Jobs. 

      Given that Steve was adopted and raised by others, it seems appropriate for his father to acknowledge him on his birthday, but let Steve choose whether he wants to have further contact (it is kind of sad that Steve hasn’t). It would be difficult for a father to do that, even one who hasn’t reared his son. I’m happy that he is on good terms with his daughter.

    2. reader123098 Avatar
      reader123098

      sorry, I see no take for responsibility. He starts by saying he “bears responsibility”, but then says “as her mother divorced me”. ” We lost touch again when her mother moved and I didn’t know where she was” If he were constantly in touch with his daughter, she would have told him they were moving and give contact. Even if she didn’t, he could have searched for them. Moving without a parent consent in case of divorced people is case for the police. Likely he didn’t even realized they had moved years later.

      When he speaks of his work and academics, he speaks nothing of family and how that affected his decisions of moving or keeping in touch. It’s easy to speak later, when the kids are grown and successful, not having to make any sacrifices for them. I’m sorry, if this man was my biological father, I wouldn’t spend 10 minutes over a coffee either.

  27.  thats pretty interesting and exiting.
    What does Steve Jobs have to say to this. And he does have a great father, who’s brave and accepts responsibility.

    1. I agree, Steve Jobs’ biological father IS a brave and responsible man. 

      He studied and earned a Ph.D., and taught as a university professor. He was honorable and married the former Joanne Sciebele, and they had a beautiful, brilliant daughter. Mr. Jandali also acted with compassion and understanding toward Steve Jobs. 

      Given that Steve was adopted and raised by others, it seems appropriate for his father to acknowledge him on his birthday, but let Steve choose whether he wants to have further contact (it is kind of sad that Steve hasn’t). It would be difficult for a father to do that, even one who hasn’t reared his son. I’m happy that he is on good terms with his daughter.

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      Anonymous

      sorry, I see no take for responsibility. He starts by saying he “bears responsibility”, but then says “as her mother divorced me”. ” We lost touch again when her mother moved and I didn’t know where she was” If he were constantly in touch with his daughter, she would have told him they were moving and give contact. Even if she didn’t, he could have searched for them. Moving without a parent consent in case of divorced people is case for the police. Likely he didn’t even realized they had moved years later.

      When he speaks of his work and academics, he speaks nothing of family and how that affected his decisions of moving or keeping in touch. It’s easy to speak later, when the kids are grown and successful, not having to make any sacrifices for them. I’m sorry, if this man was my biological father, I wouldn’t spend 10 minutes over a coffee either.

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      Anonymous

      sorry, I see no take for responsibility. He starts by saying he “bears responsibility”, but then says “as her mother divorced me”. ” We lost touch again when her mother moved and I didn’t know where she was” If he were constantly in touch with his daughter, she would have told him they were moving and give contact. Even if she didn’t, he could have searched for them. Moving without a parent consent in case of divorced people is case for the police. Likely he didn’t even realized they had moved years later.

      When he speaks of his work and academics, he speaks nothing of family and how that affected his decisions of moving or keeping in touch. It’s easy to speak later, when the kids are grown and successful, not having to make any sacrifices for them. I’m sorry, if this man was my biological father, I wouldn’t spend 10 minutes over a coffee either.

  28. Paul Merriwether Avatar
    Paul Merriwether

    A great read regarding Steve Jobs, father and heritage.

  29. A great read regarding Steve Jobs, father and heritage.

  30. Thameez Avatar

    Interesting! So his roots is from Arab soil!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Needed to be elsewhere for the water …

  31. Thameez ahamed Avatar
    Thameez ahamed

    Interesting! So his roots is from Arab soil!

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      Anonymous

      Needed to be elsewhere for the water …

  32. It is a human tragedy whenever someone is giving off for adoption esp on less than life threatening reasons.
    It is understandable for Steve’s lukewarm to his biological father’s entreaties and only he who has the absolute right to either heal the rift or leave it as it is to eternity.   

  33. It is a human tragedy whenever someone is giving off for adoption esp on less than life threatening reasons.
    It is understandable for Steve’s lukewarm to his biological father’s entreaties and only he who has the absolute right to either heal the rift or leave it as it is to eternity.   

  34. It is a human tragedy whenever someone is giving off for adoption esp on less than life threatening reasons.
    It is understandable for Steve’s lukewarm to his biological father’s entreaties and only he who has the absolute right to either heal the rift or leave it as it is to eternity.   

  35. It is a human tragedy whenever someone is giving off for adoption esp on less than life threatening reasons.
    It is understandable for Steve’s lukewarm to his biological father’s entreaties and only he who has the absolute right to either heal the rift or leave it as it is to eternity.   

  36. It is a human tragedy whenever someone is giving off for adoption esp on less than life threatening reasons.
    It is understandable for Steve’s lukewarm to his biological father’s entreaties and only he who has the absolute right to either heal the rift or leave it as it is to eternity.   

  37. Lovely article.

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    Lovely article.

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    Lovely article.

  40. nuclearjello Avatar
    nuclearjello

    Fascinating read about Steve Jobs’ biological father’s backgroud.
    RIP Steve!

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    Anonymous

    Fascinating read about Steve Jobs’ biological father’s backgroud.
    RIP Steve!

  42. Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world… but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions.  His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  43. Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world… but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions.  His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  44.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world… but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions.  His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  45.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two people but he
    was raised in America.  The fact that he was raised in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success had he had been raised in the Arab world…
    but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as
    he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions. 
    His Arab or German/Swiss biology never entered into the equation, America did. He may have been a
    great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the
    technological “tour de force” he became, unless he was raised in America! 

  46. Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he
    raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream
    Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world…
    but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as
    he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions. 
    His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a
    great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the
    technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  47.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he
    raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream
    Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world…
    but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as
    he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions. 
    His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a
    great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the
    technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  48.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs was an American… He was biologically mixed by two but he
    raised in America.  The fact that he was raised by main stream
    Americans, in America, tells you why he is who he is.  I agree with his fathers assessment about Steve’s probability of success if he had remained in the Arab world…
    but, he would have NEVER been as great a contributor to technology, as
    he was, if not for being raised in America, and it’s social conditions. 
    His Arab biology never entered into the equation. He may have been a
    great revolutionary in the Arab world but he would never have been the
    technological tour de force he became, unless he lived in America!

  49. American  film director Steven Spielberg said…Steve Jobs was the greatest inventor since Thomas Edsion.. he put the world at our finger tips…

  50. American  film director Steven Spielberg said…Steve Jobs was the greatest inventor since Thomas Edsion.. he put the world at our finger tips…

  51. Steven Spielberg said… Steve Jobs the greatest inventer after Thomas Edison…he put the world at our finger tips….

    1. but thomas edison took the inventions of Nikola Tesla 
      Nikola Tesla was possibly the greatest inventor the world has ever known.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        All coiled up, that guy. 😉 But then it might have been Merlin … hehehe … although my personal preference was Da Vinci.

  52. Steven Spielberg said… Steve Jobs the greatest inventer after Thomas Edison…he put the world at our finger tips….

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      Anonymous

      but thomas edison took the inventions of Nikola Tesla 
      Nikola Tesla was possibly the greatest inventor the world has ever known.

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        Anonymous

        But that might have been Merlin … hehehe … although my personal preference was Da Vinci.

  53. I am half Lebanese and half German and Steve Jobs was my hero before I knew anything about his heritage.  I think people are emphasizing the Syrian half now because we are in conflict with Arabs and it is good for us to remember that there are many in the U.S. with arab roots.  If this was world war II, we would be emphasizing the German side.  Peace is what is important, not Pride.  All nations have produced geniuses.  We should all be grateful that Steve Jobs lived during our times, no matter what our background.   He was a real mensch. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      You my friend made a lot of sense… Kudos to you.

  54. I am half Lebanese and half German and Steve Jobs was my hero before I knew anything about his heritage.  I think people are emphasizing the Syrian half now because we are in conflict with Arabs and it is good for us to remember that there are many in the U.S. with arab roots.  If this was world war II, we would be emphasizing the German side.  Peace is what is important, not Pride.  All nations have produced geniuses.  We should all be grateful that Steve Jobs lived during our times, no matter what our background.   He was a real mensch. 

  55. I am half Lebanese and half German and Steve Jobs was my hero before I knew anything about his heritage.  I think people are emphasizing the Syrian half now because we are in conflict with Arabs and it is good for us to remember that there are many in the U.S. with arab roots.  If this was world war II, we would be emphasizing the German side.  Peace is what is important, not Pride.  All nations have produced geniuses.  We should all be grateful that Steve Jobs lived during our times, no matter what our background.   He was a real mensch. 

    1. You my friend made a lot of sense… Kudos to you.

  56. سبحان الله الراجل دا طلع سوري!!!!َ  االامريكان يسرقوا  حتي الناس

  57. سبحان الله الراجل دا طلع سوري!!!!َ  االامريكان يسرقوا  حتي الناس

  58. Um—according to Mona, Jandali abandoned her and her mother.  He did not regret adopting him until he found out that he was rich and famous.  Mona’s second novel is about her unsuccessful search for Jandali.  If he loved her he would have made himself available to her.  And it is that simple.  Period.  And to all of you—I don’t think Jobs gave a damn about his Arab or German or any other ancestry.  He was an American through and through and had better things on his mind.  

  59. Um—according to Mona, Jandali abandoned her and her mother.  He did not regret adopting him until he found out that he was rich and famous.  Mona’s second novel is about her unsuccessful search for Jandali.  If he loved her he would have made himself available to her.  And it is that simple.  Period.  And to all of you—I don’t think Jobs gave a damn about his Arab or German or any other ancestry.  He was an American through and through and had better things on his mind.  

  60. Um—according to Mona, Jandali abandoned her and her mother.  He did not regret adopting him until he found out that he was rich and famous.  Mona’s second novel is about her unsuccessful search for Jandali.  If he loved her he would have made himself available to her.  And it is that simple.  Period.  And to all of you—I don’t think Jobs gave a damn about his Arab or German or any other ancestry.  He was an American through and through and had better things on his mind.  

  61. Um—according to Mona, Jandali abandoned her and her mother.  He did not regret adopting him until he found out that he was rich and famous.  Mona’s second novel is about her unsuccessful search for Jandali.  If he loved her he would have made himself available to her.  And it is that simple.  Period.  And to all of you—I don’t think Jobs gave a damn about his Arab or German or any other ancestry.  He was an American through and through and had better things on his mind.  

  62. I do, however, believe that the semites, both Jews and Arabs, have it all over the Germans in the intelligence department. I am also of German and English ancestry.  We are conformists and that makes us dull, dull, dull punctuated by soaring heights of brutishness.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      ‘Grace’ really doesn’t sound ‘brutish’. Hmmm … 
      And if a few more conformed to the right things we wouldn’t have the problems of the wildly passionate who act before thinking …. at least to put on their rubbers. 😉 Or .. was that an ‘age’ thing … I have trouble remembering …
      Oh well .. it’s all academic now. Reality of life affects everyone.

  63. I do, however, believe that the semites, both Jews and Arabs, have it all over the Germans in the intelligence department. I am also of German and English ancestry.  We are conformists and that makes us dull, dull, dull punctuated by soaring heights of brutishness.

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      Anonymous

      ‘Grace’ really doesn’t sound ‘brutish’. Hmmm … 
      And if a few more conformed to the right things we wouldn’t have the problems of the wildly passionate who act before thinking …. at least to put on their rubbers. 😉 Or .. was that an ‘age’ thing … I have trouble remembering …
      Oh well .. it’s all academic now. Reality of life affects everyone.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      ‘Grace’ really doesn’t sound ‘brutish’. Hmmm … 
      And if a few more conformed to the right things we wouldn’t have the problems of the wildly passionate who act before thinking …. at least to put on their rubbers. 😉 Or .. was that an ‘age’ thing … I have trouble remembering …
      Oh well .. it’s all academic now. Reality of life affects everyone.

  64. Anyway, may Steve Jobs rest in peace and his family find comfort in knowing that he lived each day as if it was his last.  How many of us can say that?

  65. Anyway, may Steve Jobs rest in peace and his family find comfort in knowing that he lived each day as if it was his last.  How many of us can say that?

  66. Anyway, may Steve Jobs rest in peace and his family find comfort in knowing that he lived each day as if it was his last.  How many of us can say that?

  67. well done Mohannad very intresting and cultural to know about this guy whose fingerprints made a change in technology..we are proud of u..

  68. well done Mohannad very intresting and cultural to know about this guy whose fingerprints made a change in technology..we are proud of u..

  69. wverell done Mohannad very intresting and cultural to know about this guy whose fingerprints made a change in technology..we are all proud of you…

  70. wverell done Mohannad very intresting and cultural to know about this guy whose fingerprints made a change in technology..we are all proud of you…

  71. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Does anyone remember the ‘AMIGA’ computer?

  72.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Does anyone remember the ‘AMIGA’ computer?

  73. People come to this country for various reasons – mostly because where they have left is a terrible place.
    Steve Jobs is the epitome of all that makes America great – an absolute, hands down genius.
    He was raised by his adopted parents – they were the ones who gave him his values and his work ethic.
    He never knew his real father – ever.
    His genetic father was nothing more than a sperm donor…….

  74. People come to this country for various reasons – mostly because where they have left is a terrible place.
    Steve Jobs is the epitome of all that makes America great – an absolute, hands down genius.
    He was raised by his adopted parents – they were the ones who gave him his values and his work ethic.
    He never knew his real father – ever.
    His genetic father was nothing more than a sperm donor…….

  75. Steve Jobs had the best parents. That he made no attempt to meet “biological” father was a good decision – a selfish weasel he was even after he married he left his wife to fend on her own without caring. “Selfish weasel” is being kind.

  76.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Steve Jobs had the best parents. That he made no attempt to meet “biological” father was a good decision – a selfish weasel he was even after he married he left his wife to fend on her own without caring. “Selfish weasel” is being kind.

  77. Well let me tell you, this John (Abdulfattah) Jandali is a bit weird and in no way or shape should my words in any way possible be regarded as a statement of disrespect to Arabs or Moslems worldwide.
    Steve Jobs (may be rest in peace) is a man with a vision and he truly changed our perspective at a grand global scale.
     
    As for the so called John: Here is what I think:
    1-He spent his early years at the AUB in Beirut “hanging out with George Habash who is considered to be extremist Palestinian and took part in Lebanon’s civil war with barely any influence on the present state of fragile peace between Palestinians or Israeli’s.  Habash was no angel and so was the case with the PLO…..but then again, the Syrian Army, the Lebanese Factions and Israeli’s weren’t angels as well when it came to Lebanon’s civil war (75 to 90) and some still believe the conflict is still ongoing thanks to all of the above.
    2-Goes to the US, gets a woman pregnant and gives the son for adoption then marries her. No self respecting person of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim Faith would do that. I mean is he out of it or is he really out of it.
    3-Here is a good one, John decides to head back to Syria in search of a better life after graduation!!!!! Are we kidding ourselves? Better life would have been in the US.  Leaves his wife and daughter behind….I mean just shoot me…Seriously.  No self respecting Muslim, Christian or Jewish man would have done such a thing.
    4-Wife divorces him while he is in Syria. Now that is something and Mona (Steve’s sister) lives with her mother.  Mona later writes a book about her missing father,
    5-Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.
    6-He seems to be a party animal that has little interest in responsibility.
    All in all, I do not think Mr. Abdulfattah Jandali is what Syria has best to offer. My only appreciation to John is the fact his son Steve is maybe the greatest man of our generation and his father is by far, the greatest disappointment of our times and one magnanimous missed opportunity or the human race.

  78. Well let me tell you, this John (Abdulfattah) Jandali is a bit weird and in no way or shape should my words in any way possible be regarded as a statement of disrespect to Arabs or Moslems worldwide.
    Steve Jobs (may be rest in peace) is a man with a vision and he truly changed our perspective at a grand global scale.
     
    As for the so called John: Here is what I think:
    1-He spent his early years at the AUB in Beirut “hanging out with George Habash who is considered to be extremist Palestinian and took part in Lebanon’s civil war with barely any influence on the present state of fragile peace between Palestinians or Israeli’s.  Habash was no angel and so was the case with the PLO…..but then again, the Syrian Army, the Lebanese Factions and Israeli’s weren’t angels as well when it came to Lebanon’s civil war (75 to 90) and some still believe the conflict is still ongoing thanks to all of the above.
    2-Goes to the US, gets a woman pregnant and gives the son for adoption then marries her. No self respecting person of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim Faith would do that. I mean is he out of it or is he really out of it.
    3-Here is a good one, John decides to head back to Syria in search of a better life after graduation!!!!! Are we kidding ourselves? Better life would have been in the US.  Leaves his wife and daughter behind….I mean just shoot me…Seriously.  No self respecting Muslim, Christian or Jewish man would have done such a thing.
    4-Wife divorces him while he is in Syria. Now that is something and Mona (Steve’s sister) lives with her mother.  Mona later writes a book about her missing father,
    5-Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.
    6-He seems to be a party animal that has little interest in responsibility.
    All in all, I do not think Mr. Abdulfattah Jandali is what Syria has best to offer. My only appreciation to John is the fact his son Steve is maybe the greatest man of our generation and his father is by far, the greatest disappointment of our times and one magnanimous missed opportunity or the human race.
    All I can say, may GOD bless the true American Values Steve Jobs inherited from his adoptive parents…They did an excellent job…

    1. Shahzad Danish Avatar
      Shahzad Danish

      Yup that Jandali man was a complete psycho, no doubt about it.!

      1. dabshaleem Avatar
        dabshaleem

        jandali is salafite mr

    2. oh yeah! jandalli is a fucking PSYCHOTIC MORON MUZZIE THAT WANTS TO KILL US ALL. AINT THAT RIGHT AI. HA HA HA

      These teatards are HILARIOUS.

      WHYU EVEN READ ALL OF HIS BULLSHIT. I’M SURE IT’S FILLED WITH RACIST TEATARD RANTS.  WHAT A MORON.

      THIS IS WHAT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS NO MORALITY IN AMERICA. JUST A BUNCH OF TEATARD RACISTS WHO WOULD VOTE FOR BACHMAN OVER ANY DEMOCRAT.

      WHAT A SAD PATHETIC COUNTRY THE US HAS BECOME

    3. “Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.”

      THE STUPIDITY IS AMAZING.  THE TEATARDS THINK THAT ANYONE WITH A MUSLIM BACKGROUND IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING THE BOOK SAYS.

      TOO STUPID TO REALIZE WHAT “NON PRACTICING MUSLIM”” MEANS. TOO STUPID TO REALIZE, THAT HE;S PROBABLY A CHRISTIAN, AND A RACIST.

      TOO STUPID FOR WORDS.   AND HE’S PISSED OFF THAT JOHN LEF THTE “GOOD OLE USA” TO GO BACK TO SYRIA. HA HA HA

      CUZ REMEMBER, THE TEATARDS THINK WE’RE NUMBER 1. even though we’re 37 bin education.

      what an IDIOT.  im done. no reason to read the rest of it. just stupid teatard rants.   

  79. Well let me tell you, this John (Abdulfattah) Jandali is a bit weird and in no way or shape should my words in any way possible be regarded as a statement of disrespect to Arabs or Moslems worldwide.
    Steve Jobs (may be rest in peace) is a man with a vision and he truly changed our perspective at a grand global scale.
     
    As for the so called John: Here is what I think:
    1-He spent his early years at the AUB in Beirut “hanging out with George Habash who is considered to be extremist Palestinian and took part in Lebanon’s civil war with barely any influence on the present state of fragile peace between Palestinians or Israeli’s.  Habash was no angel and so was the case with the PLO…..but then again, the Syrian Army, the Lebanese Factions and Israeli’s weren’t angels as well when it came to Lebanon’s civil war (75 to 90) and some still believe the conflict is still ongoing thanks to all of the above.
    2-Goes to the US, gets a woman pregnant and gives the son for adoption then marries her. No self respecting person of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim Faith would do that. I mean is he out of it or is he really out of it.
    3-Here is a good one, John decides to head back to Syria in search of a better life after graduation!!!!! Are we kidding ourselves? Better life would have been in the US.  Leaves his wife and daughter behind….I mean just shoot me…Seriously.  No self respecting Muslim, Christian or Jewish man would have done such a thing.
    4-Wife divorces him while he is in Syria. Now that is something and Mona (Steve’s sister) lives with her mother.  Mona later writes a book about her missing father,
    5-Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.
    6-He seems to be a party animal that has little interest in responsibility.
    All in all, I do not think Mr. Abdulfattah Jandali is what Syria has best to offer. My only appreciation to John is the fact his son Steve is maybe the greatest man of our generation and his father is by far, the greatest disappointment of our times and one magnanimous missed opportunity or the human race.

  80. Well let me tell you, this John (Abdulfattah) Jandali is a bit weird and in no way or shape should my words in any way possible be regarded as a statement of disrespect to Arabs or Moslems worldwide.
    Steve Jobs (may be rest in peace) is a man with a vision and he truly changed our perspective at a grand global scale.
     
    As for the so called John: Here is what I think:
    1-He spent his early years at the AUB in Beirut “hanging out with George Habash who is considered to be extremist Palestinian and took part in Lebanon’s civil war with barely any influence on the present state of fragile peace between Palestinians or Israeli’s.  Habash was no angel and so was the case with the PLO…..but then again, the Syrian Army, the Lebanese Factions and Israeli’s weren’t angels as well when it came to Lebanon’s civil war (75 to 90) and some still believe the conflict is still ongoing thanks to all of the above.
    2-Goes to the US, gets a woman pregnant and gives the son for adoption then marries her. No self respecting person of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim Faith would do that. I mean is he out of it or is he really out of it.
    3-Here is a good one, John decides to head back to Syria in search of a better life after graduation!!!!! Are we kidding ourselves? Better life would have been in the US.  Leaves his wife and daughter behind….I mean just shoot me…Seriously.  No self respecting Muslim, Christian or Jewish man would have done such a thing.
    4-Wife divorces him while he is in Syria. Now that is something and Mona (Steve’s sister) lives with her mother.  Mona later writes a book about her missing father,
    5-Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.
    6-He seems to be a party animal that has little interest in responsibility.
    All in all, I do not think Mr. Abdulfattah Jandali is what Syria has best to offer. My only appreciation to John is the fact his son Steve is maybe the greatest man of our generation and his father is by far, the greatest disappointment of our times and one magnanimous missed opportunity or the human race.
    All I can say, may GOD bless the true American Values Steve Jobs inherited from his adoptive parents…They did an excellent job…

    1. Yup that Jandali man was a complete psycho, no doubt about it.!

      1. dabshaleem Avatar
        dabshaleem

        jandali is salafite mr

    2. oh yeah! jandalli is a fucking PSYCHOTIC MORON MUZZIE THAT WANTS TO KILL US ALL. AINT THAT RIGHT AI. HA HA HA

      These teatards are HILARIOUS.

      WHYU EVEN READ ALL OF HIS BULLSHIT. I’M SURE IT’S FILLED WITH RACIST TEATARD RANTS.  WHAT A MORON.

      THIS IS WHAT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS NO MORALITY IN AMERICA. JUST A BUNCH OF TEATARD RACISTS WHO WOULD VOTE FOR BACHMAN OVER ANY DEMOCRAT.

      WHAT A SAD PATHETIC COUNTRY THE US HAS BECOME

    3. “Back to the States…he starts to get his act together then he (John) becomes a Casino Manager….Last time I checked, Muslims were not allowed to GAMBLE let alone manage casinos.”

      THE STUPIDITY IS AMAZING.  THE TEATARDS THINK THAT ANYONE WITH A MUSLIM BACKGROUND IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING THE BOOK SAYS.

      TOO STUPID TO REALIZE WHAT “NON PRACTICING MUSLIM”” MEANS. TOO STUPID TO REALIZE, THAT HE;S PROBABLY A CHRISTIAN, AND A RACIST.

      TOO STUPID FOR WORDS.   AND HE’S PISSED OFF THAT JOHN LEF THTE “GOOD OLE USA” TO GO BACK TO SYRIA. HA HA HA

      CUZ REMEMBER, THE TEATARDS THINK WE’RE NUMBER 1. even though we’re 37 bin education.

      what an IDIOT.  im done. no reason to read the rest of it. just stupid teatard rants.   

  81. I worked directly with John Jandali at Boomtown casino for about a year. I found him to be arrogant, insensitive, and self serving.  
    John was never one to observe in any detail the different restaurants he directed. He would often make snap decisions that didn’t seem in the best interest of the Casino or the restaurant. He wasn’t respected by those he managed. Many only pretended to to save their jobs but we he wasn’t around many of us (me included) openly discussed how rude he was. He just wasn’t liked nor respected by many in his department. When I found out many many years later about his relationship to Steve Jobs I was shocked. It was no surprise though that John “had to much Syrian pride to contact Steve in fear he would think he was after his money”.   How sad is that?? Your own son……and you expect your son to call you first after you give him up for adoption!! Sounds typical to me, John being arrogant. That’s something he has to live with now because his son is dead, but hey at least John still has his pride………………….

  82. I worked directly with John Jandali at Boomtown casino for about a year. I found him to be arrogant, insensitive, and self serving.  
    John was never one to observe in any detail the different restaurants he directed. He would often make snap decisions that didn’t seem in the best interest of the Casino or the restaurant. He wasn’t respected by those he managed. Many only pretended to to save their jobs but we he wasn’t around many of us (me included) openly discussed how rude he was. He just wasn’t liked nor respected by many in his department. When I found out many many years later about his relationship to Steve Jobs I was shocked. It was no surprise though that John “had to much Syrian pride to contact Steve in fear he would think he was after his money”.   How sad is that?? Your own son……and you expect your son to call you first after you give him up for adoption!! Sounds typical to me, John being arrogant. That’s something he has to live with now because his son is dead, but hey at least John still has his pride………………….

  83. It’s amazing that Steve Jobs is an Arab-American who is a Zen-digital-cultural-creator in California! His identity of race and culture are complicated: he’s an Arab-American, but he believis in Zen, a special life style, beyond the religon. Jobs has a good friend, a  Japanese-American Zen priest who is his buddy. His successful life told us a fact that there is still a chance to get peace between Asians, Arabs, and white Americans, according to diversity of race; between Christians, Islams, Buddisms, and Zen that beyond religons. Life is wonderful, but Steve Jobs passed away. He proved a hopeful message that could change the process of building up a PEACE bridge between the West and the East. Good Blessing to everyone, including our enemies or any evil people. Ha, ha, Ha!

  84. It’s amazing that Steve Jobs is an Arab-American who is a Zen-digital-cultural-creator in California! His identity of race and culture are complicated: he’s an Arab-American, but he believis in Zen, a special life style, beyond the religon. Jobs has a good friend, a  Japanese-American Zen priest who is his buddy. His successful life told us a fact that there is still a chance to get peace between Asians, Arabs, and white Americans, according to diversity of race; between Christians, Islams, Buddisms, and Zen that beyond religons. Life is wonderful, but Steve Jobs passed away. He proved a hopeful message that could change the process of building up a PEACE bridge between the West and the East. Good Blessing to everyone, including our enemies or any evil people. Ha, ha, Ha!

  85. Some of the comments on Mr. Jandali are a bit unfair.  He wasn’t the decisionmaker or at fault on Steve’s adoption.  Steve’s mother made that decision due to pressure from her father.   Mr. Jandali married Steve’s mother six months after the adoption after her father had died when he could no longer oppose the union.   Hers was a conservative Swiss German family in provincial/rural Wisconsin USA, very opposed to her marriage to a Syrian Muslim.  He clearly loved the woman. 

    No doubt Mr. Jandali returned to Syria over the objections of his wife, causing resentment and anger which led to divorce.  Yes, he is self-serving.  Not an admirable trait, but there are many worse.  

    There are many eerie parallels in the lives of father and son.

    Don’t forget, Steve denied paternity of his own out-of-wedlock biological daughter, Lisa Brennan-Jobs, for years while mother and daughter lived on welfare. Said he was infertile. So castigating Mr. Jandali for ‘abandoning’ wife and daughter is more than a bit disingenuous.

    As far as Mr. Jandali being arrogant and insensitive, so was Steve for many years until he matured.  Played cruel pranks on his employees often.  Well documented if you do just small bit of research.  No one is perfect.  It took a long time for Steve to mature. 

    Steve did drop LSD and said Bill Gates should do it. Would improve his products. The LSD experience coupled with his inherently independent nature led to the visionary he became.  Steve is not the first person I’ve read who has said the use of mind expanding drugs opened the universe and they were FOREVER changed.  Disclaimer:  I don’t smoke, drink or use drugs.  I happen to believe drugs are extremely dangerous.  In Steve’s case, LSD was the catalyst which created the visionary.  He was lucky.  Many people end up in institutions or commit suicide with just one use of the wrong substance.

    Steve’s unwillingness to abide by convention or conform appears to be another inherited trait from his father.
    Steve was often described as having a mercurial temperament.   Description of Mr. Jandali posted here by former employee could have been a description of a young Steve Jobs.

    All in all, I’m more apt to say – in many ways, like father, like son.

    Life works out the way it should.   Had Steve not been adopted, no doubt he’d be in Syria with his father.  I don’t think Mr. Jandali would have left a son behind in the US.  Never.   Nor would he have come back.  And Apple would not exist. And we’d have never known Steve – although he still would have become a prominent figure in the world – just in another role. Steve had a destiny no matter where he was raised or by whom.

    People are human – along with their strengths go weaknesses.  Mr. Jandali no doubt has regrets.  Don’t we all.

  86. Some of the comments on Mr. Jandali are a bit unfair.  He wasn’t the decisionmaker or at fault on Steve’s adoption.  Steve’s mother made that decision due to pressure from her father.   Mr. Jandali married Steve’s mother six months after the adoption after her father had died when he could no longer oppose the union.   Hers was a conservative Swiss German family in rural Wisconsin USA very opposed to her marriage to a Syrian Muslim.  He clearly loved the woman. 

    No doubt Mr. Jandali returned to Syria over the objections of his wife,
    causing resentment and anger which led to divorce.  Yes, he is
    self-serving.  Not an admirable trait, but there are many worse.  

    As far as Mr. Jandali being arrogant and insensitive, so was Steve for many years until he matured.  Played cruel pranks on his employees often.  Well documented if you do just small bit of research.  No one is perfect.  It took a long time for Steve to mature.  Steve’s unwillingness to abide by convention or conform appears to me to be an inherited trait from his father and contributed to his genius. 

    Steve did drop LSD and often said everyone should do it at least once.  I think that experience together with his inherently independent nature led to the visionary he became.  He is not the first person I’ve read who has said the use of mind expanding drugs opened up the universe and they were FOREVER changed.  Disclaimer:  I don’t smoke, drink or use drugs.  I happen to believe drugs are extremely dangerous.  In Steve’s case, LSD could very well have been the catalyst which created a visionary.  He was lucky.  Many people end up in institutions with just one use of the wrong substance.

    Steve was often described as having a mercurial temperament.   He inherited that from his father.  Description by former employee could have been a description of a young Steve Jobs.

    Life works out the way it should.   Had Steve not been adopted, no doubt he’d be in Syria with his father.  I don’t think Mr. Jandali would have left a son behind in the US.  Never.   Nor would he have come back.  And Apple would not exist. And we’d have never known Steve – although he still would have become a prominent figure in the world – just in another role. He had a destiny no matter where he lived.

    People are human – along with their strengths go weaknesses.  Mr. Jandali no doubt has regrets.  Don’t we all.

  87. Shahzad Danish Avatar
    Shahzad Danish

    No body here point out that Mr Jandali was a grave sinner according to Muslim term, sex before marriage and Steve Jobs was actually a bastard.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      And actually, we don’t care. Who would?

  88. No body here point out that Mr Jandali was a grave sinner according to Muslim term, sex before marriage and Steve Jobs was actually a bastard.

    1.  Avatar

      And actually, we don’t care. Who would?

  89. Interesting read on Steve Jobs; something which I had never known before.

  90. Interesting read on Steve Jobs; something which I had never known before.

  91. Interesting read on Steve Jobs; something which I had never known before.

  92. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree: Steve also got his girlfriend pregnant and spent his life denying that responsibility.

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    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree: Steve also got his girlfriend pregnant and spent his life denying that responsibility.

  94.  Great and Interesting…Father very happy and very Proud…
    Steve Jobs A Great or Best Man for Creative Genius Apple and NeXT…
    Very Luke Steve Jobs and Mona Simpson….

    – Nouran Al-Hussen from Sudan

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Geezzz Nounou… are you just getting this now???   I thought Leb-net was bad enough … :-)))

  95.  Great and Interesting…Father very happy and very Proud…
    Steve Jobs A Great or Best Man for Creative Genius Apple and NeXT…
    Very Luke Steve Jobs and Mona Simpson….

    – Nouran Al-Hussen from Sudan

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Geezzz Nounou… are you just getting this now???   I thought Leb-net was bad enough … :-)))

  96. The next time I read a blog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as much as this one. I mean, I know it was my choice to read, but I actually thought you have something interesting to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about something that you could fix if you werent too busy looking for attention.

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