Identity of the Side that Deployed Chemical Weapons is Crucial.

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by Ghassan Karamsyria chemical attack 10

No one will be able to forget anytime soon the grotesque images of the over 1300 bloodless dead Syrians in the suburbs of Damascus any time soon. I know that these images, especially those of one row after another of the innocent young children will literally speaking stay with me for the rest of my life. What the perpetrators have killed is the future; they have snuffed out the life of many that have nothing in their hearts except love for life and a great longing for a promising future both for them, their families and for humanity. This is the most grotesque of crimes, it is a crime against humanity not only because it employed illegal weapons but also for the wanton disregard for all that is decent, moral and proper.

Yet, as egregious and as horrible of an act as this is we must be exceptionally careful not to make false accusations unless we are very certain of who orchestrated this massacre of innocence. I believe that this event presents a major fork in the road of this quagmire that has been going on and getting worse each day for over two years. If solid evidence is presented showing the complicity of the Syrian regime then it would be difficult and let me suggest immoral and unethical for the international community not to respond in strong terms to this monstrous act. This could prove to be the beginning of the end of this cruel regime that has spread fear and terror among the Syrian civilians for over forty years. But this is not a certainty. Many experts and observers have asked many common sense questions that need to be answered prior to arriving at such a conclusion.

If on the other hand the evidence does point a finger of blame towards a third party that has conspired to kill the innocents in an attempt to blame the regime for this horrible act then such a party must be held accountable for such a diabolical scheme, a scheme that not only killed the innocent but that betrayed an uprising against illegitimacy. If this is the case then I am afraid that the regime will capitalize on these events to build up its support and burnish its credentials. I am afraid that in that case the dictatorship will get an extension on what appeared to be the end of its life span. The injustice and tyranny will in that case only grow and become more entrenched.

It is never easy to make a serious accusation but it must be doubly difficult and we have to be very cautious when so much is riding on the decision of who did what to whom. This is not an issue that can be taken lightly irrespective of one’s personal feelings towards one group or the other. No one wants to bear false witness in order to achieve a particular outcome since common decency and a strong sense of morality should dictate to us that an end, as noble and as justifiable as it might be can never justify dishonest, corrupt and debased means. Surely we can agree that there is a cost that is too high to pay for any outcome even if it is to tip the balance against the cruel dictatorship of the Syrian Baath.

The next few days should prove to be monumental in seeking the truth. What is needed is unimpeded access to the sites of this gruesome event, hair and blood samples to be sent to laboratories all over the world as well as an expert examination of all the video clips and the locations where the victims died. All of this has to happen within the next day or so if we are to learn the identity of the true killers.

 

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190 responses to “Identity of the Side that Deployed Chemical Weapons is Crucial.”

  1. You are now angels in Allah the Almighty’s care. You have been martyred and there is no better death than to be martyred. The Kuffar think that their wealth will make them live forever . We know the fire of hell awaits them.
    We pray that our brothers and sisters will join you in Jannah Al Fardous, the highest level of paradise.
    It makes me want to redouble my efforts for Allah’s sake.
    Oh Allah, give me courage and make me A martyr for your cause.

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      “there is no better death than to be martyred”, really? How about a peaceful death from old age? This mindset is a major problem in Islam!

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Go tell this to your mates in jabal mo7sen who just blew up masjid al taqwa while people were peacefully praying.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          My mates? I don’t have any mates that blow anything up. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Killing in the name of a religion is one of the most absurd things a human can do.

        2. Peaceforleb Avatar
          Peaceforleb

          Lol, you think the Alawites did this. It has the marking of the terrorist who commit the same atrocities in Iraq and Syria. You know who are. THE SALIFIS.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          It does not have to be people from jabal mo7sen… Your enemies are plenty. it could be a sunni syrian who supports Assad.

      2. A corageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for he sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
        Muslims are the believers , who believer in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
        We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
        Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

        Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

      3. A courageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for the sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
        Muslims are the believers , who believe in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
        We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
        Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

        Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

        Bible says:Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
        There for the myth that Paul made about Jesus dying for our sins is just that a myth , No it is nothing but a lie.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          The problem is that religious fanatics are killing for something they have no proof exists. The fact is you have no idea where you go when you die. Nobody does. Don’t try to claim you practice the correct religion and everyone else is a non-believer and will not be accepted into your fairy tale.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And by this, You attempt to make sense of a scene of dead children who could NOT possibly understand that stupidity which you spout about being ‘witnesses’? (marturs) You attack the words of another dead ancient Prophet?
          Children are dying every day … is this how you keep a supply of ‘virgins’ up there in Nirvana? Is God – or you – ‘recycling’ souls by force, or did they volunteer to come back to be killed earlier than before so they could be virginal marturs?
          Is your brain scrambled by too many of these scenes??

        3. Btru2u
          you are higher than a kite with your feel good religion and trapped in your reasoning ! blowing up people at mosques burning down churches and chemicaly gasing civilians at the hands of moslems high on jihad and martyrdom is the core of the problem yet you are bringing the apostle paul and christianity into this to change the subject and make light of all the blood being spilled over a didctator NOT ALLAH. over human leaders and hizbs NOT ALLAH if allah needs a man to fight for his sake or the sake of politics and real estate then he would be a false god weaker than a fart in a hurricane.
          wake up and look at the slaughtering before your eyes and question if the killing is an indication that you are dating the real allah or satan wearing allah’s mask.

        4. Hannibal Avatar

          Hmmmmm so tell me why the nations following Paul are better off than the nations following that fake prophet of yours by strides? Ah yes because your paradise is not from this world. So go jump from a high rise building and go there. It is really a shortcut. Or go live in a Christian country and you will live as close to a paradise as it can get.

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I’ll tell you why you want the instant death by sword or bullet or bomb, and attempt with idiot phrases to get me to administer it. It is better than slow painful death by radiation, cancer, starvation, torture, or having to work yourself to death over a lifetime in some megalomaniac’s brick factory stomping hay and mud together.
      You live in FEAR. You are afraid of LIFE.
      GO – but don’t expect me to supply the method – or to be happy you want to take me with you.

      1. Fear and uncertainty is Your problem , ye of little faith.
        I don’t fear death because , i am certain I am right.
        You cling to this world like there is no other life after this.
        If you stay on this train of thought, you better enjoy this life, because , I feel sorry for you on judgement day. Take this as a warning and as advise bro.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I don’t fear it either. I KNOW it’s inevitable. (I might be pissed off because we never get to finish everything we’d like to do …)
          Even Methuselah had to give it up at one point. 😉 I ACCEPT IT for the natural event that it is … and while here, attempt to make it the best experience it can be, for myself and others, if I can.
          But I am not going to be spouting out the ‘glory’ of death – or the ‘greater glory’ of having the life shortened by people who have no faith in themselves to be able to make humanity’s sorry lives BETTER for ALL people.
          You must have faith in yourself FIRST … no-one’s reporting back about how it’s going ‘up there’ …. I’ll find out when I ‘get there’. You will too. It might be a pleasant surprise. I WILL NOT be pushing a bunch of kids in front of me.

          1. Hannibal Avatar

            “I’ll find out when I ‘get there’. You will too. It might be a pleasant surprise. I WILL NOT be pushing a bunch of kids in front of me.” LOL
            So true…

        2. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          If you live for the afterlife what is the point in this life? Is this just a game God is playing with everyone? If like you said earlier there is no better death than a martyrs death, what are you waiting for? Why even raise children? Why buy a house, land, and a computer? Just go find a way to become a martyr and get yourself the virgins already.

          “I don’t fear death because , i am certain I am right.” , this is a really funny statement. Please tell us how you are so certain? I’m sure Constantin and Hannibal can tell you how certain they are that you’re going to hell for not excepting Jesus as your lord and savior.

          Look what religion is doing to the middle east. Why? Is this what god is asking of his followers? People who prefer the afterlife contribute nothing good to humanity and should go ahead and off themselves. Leave us that love life to live it. Don’t you worry, if god exists he will make the final judgement. It’s not you or any other religious fanatics job to do the judging for him.

          1. Maybe you think our purpose in life is shallow. We think it is a test for. Your external soul.
            Quran says..21:16

            Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between!
            21:17

            If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
            21:18

            Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).
            21:19

            To Him belong all (creatures) in the heavens and on earth: Even those who are in His (very) Presence are not too proud to serve Him, nor are they (ever) weary (of His service):

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            Hey man-o you got it wrong brother… Jesus will bring everyone to paradise even if you do not believe in him. Christianity is a way of life to make you live in peace in THIS life. Unlike Islam which preaches killing and dying for the paradise to come. The believers and the moslem non-believers will all be saved by Jesus.
            I wish I can see Btru2u’s face when he is falling to be picked up by Jesus not Mohammed. 😉

    3. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      What is this gibberish all about? If the creator cared about these children then why did she allow their young lives to be snuffed?

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        She? lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Amoeba-stage of evolution – he/she – acceptable genetic recognition of ‘it’.
          Only males claimed God was a male.

    4. Hannibal Avatar

      Oh Allah, give me courage and make me A martyr for your cause. So what are you waiting for hiding behind a keyboard? Ship to Syria anytime… I will pay for the one way ticket.

  2. You are now angels in Allah the Almighty’s care. You have been martyred and there is no better death than to be martyred. The Kuffar think that their wealth will make them live forever . We know the fire of hell awaits them.
    We pray that our brothers and sisters will join you in Jannah Al Fardous, the highest level of paradise.
    It makes me want to redouble my efforts for Allah’s sake.
    Oh Allah, give me courage and make me A martyr for your cause.

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      “there is no better death than to be martyred”, really? How about a peaceful death from old age? This mindset is a major problem in Islam!

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Go tell this to your mates in jabal mo7sen who just blew up masjid al taqwa while people were peacefully praying.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          My mates? I don’t have any mates that blow anything up. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Killing in the name of a religion is one of the most absurd things a human can do.

        2. Peaceforleb Avatar
          Peaceforleb

          Lol, you think the Alawites did this. It has the marking of the terrorist who commit the same atrocities in Iraq and Syria. You know who are. THE SALIFIS.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          It does not have to be people from jabal mo7sen… Your enemies are plenty. it could be a sunni syrian who supports Assad.

      2. A corageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for he sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
        Muslims are the believers , who believer in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
        We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
        Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

        Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

      3. A courageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for the sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
        Muslims are the believers , who believe in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
        We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
        Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

        Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

        Bible says:Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
        There for the myth that Paul made about Jesus dying for our sins is just that a myth , No it is nothing but a lie.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          The problem is that religious fanatics are killing for something they have no proof exists. The fact is you have no idea where you go when you die. Nobody does. Don’t try to claim you practice the correct religion and everyone else is a non-believer and will not be accepted into your fairy tale.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And by this, You attempt to make sense of a scene of dead children who could NOT possibly understand that stupidity which you spout about being ‘witnesses’? (marturs) You attack the words of another dead ancient Prophet?
          Children are dying every day … is this how you keep a supply of ‘virgins’ up there in Nirvana? Is God – or you – ‘recycling’ souls by force, or did they volunteer to come back to be killed earlier than before so they could be virginal marturs?
          Is your brain scrambled by too many of these scenes??

        3. Btru2u
          you are higher than a kite with your feel good religion and trapped in your reasoning ! blowing up people at mosques burning down churches and chemicaly gasing civilians at the hands of moslems high on jihad and martyrdom is the core of the problem yet you are bringing the apostle paul and christianity into this to change the subject and make light of all the blood being spilled over a didctator NOT ALLAH. over human leaders and hizbs NOT ALLAH if allah needs a man to fight for his sake or the sake of politics and real estate then he would be a false god weaker than a fart in a hurricane.
          wake up and look at the slaughtering before your eyes and question if the killing is an indication that you are dating the real allah or satan wearing allah’s mask.

        4. Hannibal Avatar

          Hmmmmm so tell me why the nations following Paul are better off than the nations following that fake prophet of yours by strides? Ah yes because your paradise is not from this world. So go jump from a high rise building and go there. It is really a shortcut. Or go live in a Christian country and you will live as close to a paradise as it can get.

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I’ll tell you why you want the instant death by sword or bullet or bomb, and attempt with idiot phrases to get me to administer it. It is better than slow painful death by radiation, cancer, starvation, torture, or having to work yourself to death over a lifetime in some megalomaniac’s brick factory stomping hay and mud together.
      You live in FEAR. You are afraid of LIFE.
      GO – but don’t expect me to supply the method – or to be happy you want to take me with you.

      1. Fear and uncertainty is Your problem , ye of little faith.
        I don’t fear death because , i am certain I am right.
        You cling to this world like there is no other life after this.
        If you stay on this train of thought, you better enjoy this life, because , I feel sorry for you on judgement day. Take this as a warning and as advise bro.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I don’t fear it either. I KNOW it’s inevitable. (I might be pissed off because we never get to finish everything we’d like to do …)
          Even Methuselah had to give it up at one point. 😉 I ACCEPT IT for the natural event that it is … and while here, attempt to make it the best experience it can be, for myself and others, if I can.
          But I am not going to be spouting out the ‘glory’ of death – or the ‘greater glory’ of having the life shortened by people who have no faith in themselves to be able to make humanity’s sorry lives BETTER for ALL people.
          You must have faith in yourself FIRST … no-one’s reporting back about how it’s going ‘up there’ …. I’ll find out when I ‘get there’. You will too. It might be a pleasant surprise. I WILL NOT be pushing a bunch of kids in front of me.

          1. Hannibal Avatar

            “I’ll find out when I ‘get there’. You will too. It might be a pleasant surprise. I WILL NOT be pushing a bunch of kids in front of me.” LOL
            So true…

        2. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          If you live for the afterlife what is the point in this life? Is this just a game God is playing with everyone? If like you said earlier there is no better death than a martyrs death, what are you waiting for? Why even raise children? Why buy a house, land, and a computer? Just go find a way to become a martyr and get yourself the virgins already.

          “I don’t fear death because , i am certain I am right.” , this is a really funny statement. Please tell us how you are so certain? I’m sure Constantin and Hannibal can tell you how certain they are you’re going to hell for not excepting Jesus as your lord and savior.

          Look what religion is doing to the middle east. Why? Is this what god is asking of his followers? People who prefer the afterlife contribute nothing good to humanity and should go ahead and off themselves. Leave us that love life to live it. Don’t you worry, if god exists he will make the final judgement. It’s not you or any other religious fanatic to do the judging for him.

          1. Maybe you think our purpose in life is shallow. We think it is a test for. Your external soul.
            Quran says..21:16

            Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between!
            21:17

            If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
            21:18

            Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).
            21:19

            To Him belong all (creatures) in the heavens and on earth: Even those who are in His (very) Presence are not too proud to serve Him, nor are they (ever) weary (of His service):

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            Hey man-o you got it wrong brother… Jesus will bring everyone to paradise even if you do not believe in him. Christianity is a way of life to make you live in peace in THIS life. Unlike Islam which preaches killing and dying for the paradise to come. The believers and the moslem non-believers will all be saved by Jesus.
            I wish I can see Btru2u’s face when he is falling to be picked up by Jesus not Mohammed. 😉

    3. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      What is this gibberish all about? If the creator cared about these children then why did she allow their young lives to be snuffed?

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        She? lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Amoeba-stage of evolution – he/she – acceptable genetic recognition of ‘it’.

    4. Hannibal Avatar

      Oh Allah, give me courage and make me A martyr for your cause. So what are you waiting for hiding behind a keyboard? Ship to Syria anytime… I will pay for the one way ticket.

  3. The first words that were revealed to Mohammed ( peace and blessings be upon him) .

    1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),

    2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).

    3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,

    4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],

    5. Has taught man that which he knew not.

    6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).

    7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.

    8. Surely! Unto your Lord is the return.

    9. Have you (O Muhammad ()) seen him (i.e. Abu Jahl) who prevents,

    10. A slave (Muhammad ()) when he prays?

    11. Tell me, if he (Muhammad ()) is on the guidance (of Allah)?

    12. Or enjoins piety?

    13. Tell me if he (the disbeliever, Abu Jahl) denies (the truth, i.e. this Qur’an), and turns away?

    14. Knows he not that Allah does see (what he does)?

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      “Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)]”

      That is soooo wrong… For ONCE stop looking at the Quran and read the scientific evidence at hand… The first modern writing was done by the Phoenicians (Alphabet)!!!!!

      The first old writing (cuneiform) by the Mesopotamians 3200 BC. Writing is when it is put in a way another can reconstruct. The earliest form of written expression is cuneiform.

      Finally, I certainly hope that you are not saying that Enoch (who never existed by the way) spoke Arabic and that since Arabic is the language of the “Book of Islam” it is the first language.

      Arabic evolved from Aramaic, Hebrew, Ugaritic, and Phoenician and the modern written Arabic is way off the spoken Arabic by all the Arabs and non-Arabs which is closer to the true Arabic than the one in the “Book of Islam” which is really not the one spoken by the Arabs during Mohammed’s time.

      You can blab all you want my brain-washed compatriot but the reality is I see no future for your religion. It is a cult at best with nothing but chaos and mayhem, destruction and cold blooded murder.

      and BTW thank you is in order for the U.S. is coming to save your sorry ass from Assad.

  4. The first words that were revealed to Mohammed ( peace and blessings be upon him) .

    1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),

    2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).

    3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,

    4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],

    5. Has taught man that which he knew not.

    6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).

    7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.

    8. Surely! Unto your Lord is the return.

    9. Have you (O Muhammad ()) seen him (i.e. Abu Jahl) who prevents,

    10. A slave (Muhammad ()) when he prays?

    11. Tell me, if he (Muhammad ()) is on the guidance (of Allah)?

    12. Or enjoins piety?

    13. Tell me if he (the disbeliever, Abu Jahl) denies (the truth, i.e. this Qur’an), and turns away?

    14. Knows he not that Allah does see (what he does)?

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      “Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)]”

      That is soooo wrong… For ONCE stop looking at the Quran and read the scientific evidence at hand… The first modern writing was done by the Phoenicians (Alphabet)!!!!!

      The first old writing (cuneiform) by the Mesopotamians 3200 BC. Writing is when it is put in a way another can reconstruct. The earliest form of written expression is cuneiform.

      Finally, I certainly hope that you are not saying that Enoch (who never existed by the way) spoke Arabic and that since Arabic is the language of the “Book of Islam” it is the first language.

      Arabic evolved from Aramaic, Hebrew, Ugaritic, and Phoenician and the modern written Arabic is way off the spoken Arabic by all the Arabs and non-Arabs which is closer to the true Arabic than the one in the “Book of Islam” which is really not the one spoken by the Arabs during Mohammed’s time.

      You can blab all you want my brain-washed compatriot but the reality is I see no future for your religion. It is a cult at best with nothing but chaos and mayhem, destruction and cold blooded murder.

      and BTW thank you is in order for the U.S. is coming to save your sorry ass from Assad.

  5. ghassan Karam Avatar
    ghassan Karam

    I do understand that once a post is in the public domain then readers are free to interpret it any which way they choose but can anyone explain what God and the Quran have to do with this post? Can we for once discuss the issues without going back to Allah? Leave God out of this discussion.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Happy thought, Ghassan. But the lack of any ‘logic’ or ‘reasoning’ in the scene of death shown above has ‘the folks’ so befuddled that they seek some kind of ancient text which can explain it. And then argue about it.
      These two guys have not shown me YET the lines of text which say: ‘Go and kill the children of all who don’t believe these ancient words in text.’
      Basically, there really are no words we can say to make ‘glorious’ any war – or the way it works.
      Humans have a long way to go to understand themselves.
      Simplicity – Get rid of Assad.
      (to start) (doesn’t mean you have to kill him either – make him ineffective)

    2. Now you see what the problem within our society is? You just made this comment which 100% true and look at the responses you have received…..its like the saying goes…izza bazat yalayeh bi fakir yam it shateh….getting back to your article there indeed has been reports coming from inspectors that rebels could have been behind it. lets not be in denial that there has always been rogue elements within the opposition who clearly have their own agenda and have also caused atrocities and published them on youtube for all to see…The turks at one point caught them with sarin gas…i have done some research and have seen articles and pictures of rebels purported to be using chemical weapons and testing their use as well. However it appears decisions may have already been made that this may go ahead…The UN was reported to have stated that it will take them 2 weeks to finish their tests and the that the report will not be made public????

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Well I’ll look for that ‘report’ … and the report of the report. In the meantime, wait for it.

        1. You have missed the point completely that Ghassan is making. People cannot act so righteous yet do what is contrary in basic common law….the ramifications of what may happen are far beyond what anyone can imagine….The inspectors are still on the ground..They have stated they need 2 weeks yet everyone is jumping up and down to strike now…We saw the falsities of iraqs wmd war we dont want to see the same again because this time we are talking potentially ww3. Let the inspectors finish their work and present the evidence. The un work is being manipulated.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I think RATHER that it is ‘the news’ which miss-interprets what is said.
            To say ‘we are ready now’ does not mean an imminent ‘hit’. But everyone takes it to mean that, it seems. Being ready and prepared does not mean it will happen before they have all the evidence that’s needed.
            Would also be difficult to think they would ‘do in’ the UN Inspection team as well.
            And that’s not only one country involved in the inspections.
            The ‘HYPE’ is astounding … twits twittering … blogs blogging … analysts doing whatever they do … Weird world.
            And really, Assad still has the time to put up a white flag.
            We won’t know anything until it happens – after which there can be a new set of speculations made. :-))
            I’m not missing Ghassan’s points … especially after being fooled on some other ‘ventures’, they know it must be bullet-proof evidence.
            Personally, I only need to see the videos of twitching oxygen-starved children – like the boy with the panic in his eyes because, no matter how much he pumps his chest up and down, he feels that he isn’t getting enough oxygen … because he isn’t. And I know it was the ‘regime’ who had the stockpile – which should not exist at all. And if the ‘regime’ cared for children at all, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

          2. Look we can go on and on about chemical weapons..who can and cant have it…double standards everywhere…it was ok for saddam to use it (supplied by usa ) when he was an ally and now its a different story….however in this case its not that simple…for the syrian government to use it makes absolutely no sense at all…especially when the un inspectors are already there and staying only 15min away…the rebels have used it before…the turks caught a group with sarin gas and on youtube they have shown videos testing on animals…all that is beside the point now whats happened has happened….Hysteria yes…i mean first of all they cant hit until the un inspectors leave which is supposed to be after 2 weeks…further obama needs congress to clear him? Will they or will they not? In the dirty world of politics will the republicans give him a green light? If only to want him fail and get bogged down in another iraq in order to use for the next elections? Will the republicans say no and he then goes alone fails or gets bogged down in another war the americans clearly dont want and then look at impeaching him? Does he want to go down in history as the man that potentially could start ww3 especially with the state of affairs economically back home? Unfortunately we as normal people, mothers , fathers, parents see things on an emotional level which is just being human….there are alot of players in this…they have all hedged their bets and participated in the game…my opinion is that its gone beyond being able to help anyone….who ever wants to go play their can play but dont come home crying…keep it their and lets worry about lebanon because for 30 years noone cared about us.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            At that time, Dateam, no-one cared about many things they do now … or in many cases even knew … the ‘gang warfare’ was indescribable to most of the world. Pictures were grainy black&white in newspapers. Lebanon still carries the labels of it’s ‘dark ages’. After the bombings recently, one can see why.
            A lot of people, even Lebanese, will just shake their heads and walk away from any conversation about the place. Tell friends that you visited Lebanon, and they stand in ‘awe’ – there are two mental-medals applied – ‘brave’ and ‘stupid’.
            ‘You went THERE … AGAIN ???’ (shocked look on face) :-))))
            Those of us who really (almost) understand what kind of influence ‘Religions’ and ‘Syrians’ have had on Lebanon, cannot explain why we’d like to visit … again.
            So … in a changed world of ‘instant news’ from a billion cell-phones … should we simply all do the same as in the ‘blacked-out’ 80’s, and turn backs on it?
            Walk away from both Syria and Lebanon? Shed a tear in silence?
            I agree it would be less expensive – we’ll just keep sending food and medical aid to those poor humans who can’t get war-ravavged minds freed up enough to help themselves. Sad as it is, that IS an option … basically used for 3 years now … which fact no-one seems to like either.
            There’s a lot of danger from flapping gums causing high blood pressure. I’d be happy to get back to ‘tech-talks’ and jokes. Pass the scotch.

          4. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The “Turks” (bashar’s enemies) having caught rebels with gas says it all!!!
            The international community and its intelligence agencies have not allowed rebels to get hold of chemical weapons. I also read reports of a US-Russian direct intervention (yes, Russian boots on the Syrian ground with Washington’s nod) to defend a chemical depot from falling in the hand of al-nusra.
            As for the threats of a WWIII – HILARIOUS!!!
            And who do you want to fight such a war in the present imbalance of forces?
            May I remind you that the US army alone is stronger than the next 9 armies combined (5 or 6 of which are US allies depending on the studies).
            Your threats are as empty as the threats of these bashar officials or their past clones the saddam officials who also threatened of a third WW should the US invade…
            btw Obama can order the strike without congress approval – betting on the Republicans to stop him or (lolololololol) impeach him is simple wet dreams.
            As for the proofs and while the West has proofs that it was assad, the orchestra of anti-West propagandists will not believe these proofs even if we show you a picture of bashar “pressing the button”.
            Time is up! The masquerade has lasted long enough.
            One thing you’re right about – worry about yourself and let the West (one more time) be the defender of human values.

          5. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Truly deranged individual, I bet You would make Hitler blush, poor of You son, You lost it, Your arrogance is only for Your military supremacy? is that all? You are worth nothing as a human being,

            Hell! You are not worth more than a Morceau De Merde!

          6. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            right and what would happen after two weeks of “UN investigations”?
            they will take the results to the security council where Russia and China will veto any reprisal. Then they will create a half- ass solution of setting up a toothless STS that will take years and years of bureaucracy work to come up with a couple of names who will disappear in dahyieh. Great work UN!

          7. I dont make it up i read and search and put it out there… go to youtube and put in general wesley clark…watch the clip back in 2011 about taking out 7 countries in 5 years….

          8. Hannibal Avatar

            I wonder if Moslem countries can take down Western civilized countries as such. The worm eating at the 7 countries is religion. When religion defines a nation it is easy to say it is God who willed it, someone who can never be judged… However, when the law of man prevails, if man misbehaves the man is accountable. Assuming the conspiracy theory is real, whose fault is it anyway? Can we conspire to turn a brother against another in a western country? The nation comes first for them. It is amazing to me how three different groups coexist in Switzerland yet they speak different languages. If they can do it, so can the middle east. The Maronites proposed the idea of federalism and it was shot down right away by the moslems. You know why? Because Islam is the religion of submission and domination NOT a religion of peace and coexistence. If one day the whole of the 7 countries become one sect, a sunni let us say, they will find a way to differ and go at it again. In their mind an unreachable god dictates it. It will never end. So stop blaming others for Islam’s bigotry.

          9. Im not blaming anyone, im not propagating anything nor defending anyone, im simply saying have a look..have you had a look? There are different rules for the middle east…have a look at the contradictions throughout history and ask yourself why and how? One day a dictator is acceptable and then the next day he isnt….if the middle east didnt have oil or gas would anyone even care? The muslim world is at fault for allowing external parties dictate who and how they can be…..thats not my opinion that is fact…just look through history. Further on the point of religion it is but a tool.

          10. Hannibal Avatar

            I have a problem with you saying “the moslem world”… I am part of this world and I am not a moslem… Answer me that: Would you accept me as a non-moslem to be an elected president of your country?

          11. Heres another one on youtube: mother agnes mariam on GRTV

          12. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            There is nothing wrong when a mistake happens to saying this happened only because allah willed so long as the person learns from the mistake and take bonafide measures to reduce damage to what could be a sensitive situation(be it death because of mistake or an an accident which could be very expensive) religion needs only one dedicated person for it to function its a belief system( we learn at our own pace and note as we live) set in the heart and mind as for democracy it needs people in order for it to function. The point is we need religion(manners and justice) embedded in us while common law needs us for it to succeed ask any student of law how hard it is for everyone to memorise “law” theres too many and too many different personalities and brains to all manuever the same way to live in the lines of law. Not to say all the laws are rubbish there are some very justified laws we can all learn from. Life is a learning speed hump we are all human and its not a perfect world. Your current argument has so many flaws and any human can learn to cooperate if there was no need to cooperate there would only be one human being. When you say islam only exists to conquer and not for peace and co existance how do you justify the impact islam had in the golden ages and how its still the fastest growing religion. You probably do have a point when fighting the belief system of “individuals” that is only your right to do so and i agree this is how to move forward with co existance, but you surely do not have any dirt on the religion itself. Its like saying every politician who goes to strip clubs and cheats and steals is an athiest. Theres more colours than just black and white.

            A quote which sets the example of my statement and the blessing of saying allah willed this to happen
            Know that the aid of Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala (exalted is He) for His servants comes in relation to their intention. So whoever’s intention is complete, then the aid of Allah for them will be complete. And the one whose intention is deficient, then the aid of Allah for them will be less.”— Salim ibn Abdullah’s advice to Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz radiallahu anhu

            So the worlds humanitarian problem does not lie with lack of edumacation 😉 it lies with lack of peoples faith. To answer your question it is possible it depends who deserves it more and who wants it more and physically does more to win.nobody thought an outgunned rebel group would survive 2 and a half yrs i think its been now and they seem to be doing pretty well allah knows best.

          13. Well explained reasonable man . Unfortunately valid arguments will fall on deaf ears to the people who refuse to open their minds. They will continue to ignore valid points in arguments and continue with their hateful rants, and be oblivious to the facts.

          14. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Jazakallah w 5ayron akhi.

          15. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            In Islamic philosophy the concept of surrendering (Aslim and Istaslim…) is one of the pillars of the religion. I have to agree with Hannibal on that point that coexistence as we define it today is not part of a Sharia state. In Muslim legislature non-Muslim citizens of such states are de-facto second class citizens, and to benefit from all the rights given to Muslims they should surrender to the religion or in Arabic “Aslim” – It’s in the Koran, I’m not inventing. It is an undeniable fact recognized by Muslim scholars themselves.
            Which always brings us back to what I like to call the lifespan of a religion.
            No matter how long it takes, a day will come where the messages of a religion become obsolete. Can you deny that it is wrong in this day and age to consider citizens to be of a lower class than others based on religion? Yet, this is the case in Islamic states or Sharia State.
            In the times of the Prophet, this was ok (75% of the world population were already slaves) a Jewish person living in Jeddah let’s say accepted the fact that he was second class because well… it’s better than being 3rd class, or 4th class at the time. But today, the reasonableman in all of us cannot accept this. 😉
            This is why I think that the lifespan of Islam as the religion based on the Koran and Mohamed’s message is today obsolete, because it can no longer explain life but got surpassed by the messages of a civil society based on Human values and not religious values. Don’t jump on my neck just yet, let me add that all these old religions are as obsolete as Islam.
            What to do with Islam? simple, just like Christians did with Judaism, they updated the message of the Old Testament and when the New Testament in itself became obsolete, the Protestant movement spread all over Europe, and invaded the new world, spreading an updated message…
            At the end/today they were all updated with what I consider is the new “religion” which is Science based on logic, main strength of the Human being. Science today is answering our questions better than any God did. Science proved the world was round (denied by all religions at the time), Science proved that we are one tiny planet revolving around the sun when all religions said that Earth is the center of the universe, Science proved that we can walk on the moon when some religions said it was impossible, Science is explaining how our body functions and what it needs, Science explained atoms and particles… I invite you from the bottom of the heart, to use your reason to explain things surrounding us instead of some sentences written in an old book by a person who could not possibly envision the future that came to be.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Happy thought, Mekenseh. There are still those who – even as we plan trips back to the moon or to Mars – believe it was all faked by Hollywood.
            Although, at the same time, they enjoy tweeting on their cell-phones.
            TWITS. ;-))))

          17. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Really now mekenseh lets be reasonable and unbiased not until the 19th century people started claiming that christianity and judaism flourished the most in the golden ages. Some argue that they were second class citizens but this does not go beyond social injustices. Yes we can argue(debate) an individuals belief system eg why he was unjust to such and such but really has nothing to do with islam itself. Till date there is no country or community to have a christian court a muslim court and a jewish court like the time of the abbaside caliphate. Have a look at dubai and malaysia they seem pretty well off if you can find any verse that says treat anybody else like second class citizens i will challenge it.

          18. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Zoroastrians in Iran are persecuted, Christians are not but that’s simply because Christians have the whole Christian world behind them, but Zoroastrians are not so lucky. Funny you mentioned Dubai because an Emirati native (Muslim in other words) is a first class citizen while all other nationalities are second class. If you have a car accident in Dubai and the other driver is a native you are DIRECTLY considered to be at fault…
            Please, don’t get your feelings hurt, Christians cleansed Europe of all “heretic” religions for centuries and all the way to 1945 some would argue with the massacres against the Jewish population.
            Salvation of the Arab world and Salvation of Islam comes when people start refusing this blind distinction based on religion or race. What’s the big deal if a church or synagogue opens in Mecca or even Jeddah? Why are Copts still considered second class citizens in Egypt and most recently in the democratically voted new constitution were not given the right, as any Egyptian citizen, to be elected president for example?
            I call every person in the world to start criticizing not the others, but rather what is absolutely dear to them. I always call on the Lebanese people to self-criticize before blaming the world for their woes. Muslims today have to look inward and find out what in their religion is keeping them from catching up with the rest of the world and change it (yes! change the interpretation!), because it is an undeniable fact that the Islamic Civilization is still backward.

          19. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            It is wrong to prosocute any human that is innocent in islam, what is backward is not islam its your understanding of it. Car accidents in dubai end up being the non native fault now thats absured where did you hear this from? The natives there are the WORST drivers lol. As for not allowing christian president in my own layman opinion is the situation was inflated and both parties fell in wrong. I live in australia i dont see a muslim governer but i dont complain? The 600000 here dont complain. No muslims government in america nobody is complaining? In south america no complaints. Generally the people as a whole can choose to live peacefully under any government, luckily in the west they do listen if there was an injustice social or legal(half the time) thats not to say racism doesnt exist. When we first got here we were called wogs and beaten up just because we are not australian. Until we learned to stick together but it still exists in some areas. Just today a man out of nowhere started calling a man and his kids arab dogs and they were only eating there food? unfortunately for the egyptions they chose the other path but im sure if there was a government that practised the sharia and really payed attention to the social injustices that occured egypt would be at peace.

          20. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’m sure. In secular law, ‘Innocent until proven guilty.’
            And yet, as you note, everywhere we see the opposite – by a press which assumes – or raving mobs which do the same.
            So, ‘law’ provides ‘protection’ as best as possible for the guilty and the innocent – where it is practiced. (Imagine if Mubarak could walk down a street, while waiting for a verdict)(Imagine how far Assad would get without bodyguards)
            Ignorance is shown in that ‘wogs’ line – you must look Italian. :-))
            But THAT was the wrong group to use it on too – the term came out of colonial India – used by the Brits of 1900.
            Try not to get too-dark a tan in summer – you’ll have to sit at the back of the bus.
            The one that no-one could figure out is the ‘blue-eyed brown-haired Protestant’ friend, who – when simply identified as Canadian – was instantly called an ‘Israeli Spy’ in Tripoli – and gotten out of the area fast. But there you go. There’s really no justice when minds see only what they have been programmed to see.
            And yet, it takes a lot of programming for the reverse to hold true – to simply see others as ‘human’ first. And only ‘law’ applied across the WHOLE society provides the protections … and eventually changes the programming.
            And … after that … there’s no law that will make me LIKE an idiot.
            The best thing to do, then, is ignore him.
            The only problem with that is when they won’t let you go …. of course. :-))

          21. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            There is not a Muslim governor in the US but there is no law that doesn’t allow Muslims to be governors. There is a Muslim congressman, and the son of a Muslim is president and has a Muslim middle name…
            My understanding of islam is not backward. Please check the sharia and the Muslim jurisprudence and you will find that non-Muslims have a different status in society, again I’m not inventing. Those are facts recognized by the highest level of Muslim scholars.
            As for discrimination in Dubai between locals and foreigners it is also an undeniable fact witnessed by tons of people…
            I’m not Australian nor do I know a lot about Australia but I did hear and read that there are a lot of bigots but Australia is not a Christian country, it’s a civil country based on the rule of human laws and not some godly laws from the 1st century. Just like African Americans used the constitution to gain full civil status, I hope that Muslims in Australia do the same and keep fighting unjust discrimination.

          22. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            PS: a very interesting study of the subject of non-Muslims in Sharia based governance

            answering-islam. org/NonMuslims/rights.htm
            I hope it will pass I added a couple of spaces between . and org

          23. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Now i know your going to say if my theory is correct “look at the islamic countries compared to the non islamic” well hannibal even drug dealers drive nice cars and have all the time to spend with family but does that make it correct? Welcome to the wild west where the good guys come last where the criminals are called “your worship” and “your honour” and the good guys most of the time end up with a mop and bucket cleaning the toilets now not to say there is a problem with that i myself started off doing dishes until my heart turned to stone and learned how to play the game luckily theres still abit of heart left just enough petrol to keep me motivated about the REAL issues happening over the world and not this temporary facist attire. Theres a saying and ill keep it simple your either a DOER or a DONTER so long as we can face the consequences. Tezz 3a hek civilized i will guarentee if there was enough jobs in lebanon reguardless of the sectarian tension we would all rather be there.

          24. Hannibal Avatar

            Reasonableman,
            Among the many I do respect you and your opinion… I’d rather be there and will in a jiffy move. My argument comes from what I see insolvable under current political and religious atmosphere. Look at the mass murders happening in this world of ours… It is pushed by zealots. No man in his right mind will kill any other because of religion yet it happens on a mass scale. That is why we live abroad. I can’t fathom the idea of carrying the charred body of my son because an idiot blew up himself in front of a mosque or a church or a temple or a synagogue.

          25. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Atleast we can both agree that those blowing places of worship up and killing innocent people are no less than scum. The issue i was raising though is that whatever it is we are missing in the west we find it back home and whatever we are missing back home we find it in the west.
            Now take a trip down memory lane…the guy pushing his trolley selling ka3ak, the sound of horns and potholes in the road, the batata and ketchup sandwish that is so packed with batata it cant close. LoL

          26. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Cleaning a toilet IS a useful job. From the look of my kitchen sometimes, so is cleaning the dishes. But are you still doing that? Was there a chance to move ‘up’ to a different job? I started on an assembly-line – possibly the most brain-deadening job I could have experienced – evidenced to me by the ones I had to listen to also on it. I learned why I didn’t want to stay there. Either.

          27. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No doubt but for some reason frowned upon… assembly line *ouch* what do you do now? Im a quiet guy i had many oppertunities but used to let people take credit for my work because i enjoy making people happy eventually you see that even if you wore a sign saying spit on me people wouldnt bother. To make a living i had to do what people have been doing to me. Thats to *pretend* i am something i am not and lie to people aswell to get my way. Eventually i looked into carpentry finished my apprenticeship and have my own business al7amdulilah (too much lieing and liers in this trade so i have a limit of what kind of jobs i do and for who) so looked elsewhere i also work in the aviation screening and studying a bachelor of law to be a lier i mean lawyer 🙂

          28. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Reasonable. I learned to ignore the ones trying to disturb me.
            Woodworking is an art of it’s own … done well, the spitters have nothing to say.
            You need to read: ‘Zen, And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance’.

            Like you, I’m a ‘quiet man’. (Yah … not in here .. hahahaha)
            “Be cautious of those who confuse kindness with weakness.” – Noah ben Shea
            “The highest reward for a man’s toil is not what he gets for it, but what he becomes by it.” – John Ruskin

            I met a lot of people … not all of them pleasant. For your interest only, because you ask – a short general overview hoping it doesn’t sound ‘brash’.
            Now I’m a ‘retired’ member of two unions. The one in an art, I still do. The other was ‘main income’.
            I enjoy the actual work I chose – although ‘teck’ eventually killed the ‘trade’.
            Changed ‘companies’ 14 times – more at first, while learning … later, twice because they fired me. First time because I refused to give up MY time for an ‘overtime’. The other was because I called the manager an asshole – which he was – and I well understood ‘they’ couldn’t let that go by … as it showed how smart they were for having him as a manager. 😉 Didn’t bother me at all. :-))
            I was never brought to task because I didn’t know what I was doing – didn’t like to do ANY job twice – still don’t.
            I liked to ‘do things’ … it’s my nature, I suppose. But if you’re going to tackle ALL home and car repairs, you need to learn to do it right … and listen to real ‘experts’, and then read a lot too. (Save money – spend a lot of time instead. 😉
            But I always found time for ‘exploring’ …. as much as I could afford to. Will never see all I wish to. And am beginning to creak a lot more.
            Hate aging – but BOOM, there it is. :-))
            Which gives me the time to be here, seemingly arguing uselessly for that ‘freedom of thought’ we should all be allowed. Sure, my thoughts changed over the years, but I never let someone else tell me to be untrue to myself in the moments I need to be honest. Maybe I am ‘lucky’?
            If this particular insanity of the Middle East goes on much longer, it might be better to just go play ‘Farmville’ until I kack. :-))
            I tried a ‘wargame’ for a while … found it amazingly life-like – those with a pile of money could become despots. I left. 😉

          29. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            5th where are you hope your in good health.??

          30. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            the youtube video you are talking about is about “contingency plans” = meaning if needed be, we take out 7 countries in 5 years.
            Just like we have contingency plans to take out Russia, China and any other state or group of states if they decide to pose a threat one day.
            It’s thinking ahead
            It’s simple preparation in case of
            Got it?
            I know it’s too much for you to understand what “contingency plans” mean you who have shown in some 70 years of “independence” that you can’t come up with a “simple plan” and even less following it.

          31. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            But Mekenseh … those ‘contingencies’ – which we see as ‘theory’ – are what all the weirdo ‘theorists’ base their theories on – even the ones in ancient texts.
            hehehehehe
            Just that in some places, the credo is:
            ‘If it doesn’t work, use it.’ :-)))))

          32. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Can you develop this idea, I didn’t quite get it
            (PS: I’m not drunk… yet)

          33. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Hmmm Mekenseh … I thought i’d been working on it a few years … 😉
            Might need a new ‘stock’ update … for ‘clarity’. :-)))

          34. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The Apocalypse comes to mind when I read your words
            it sounds like a contingency plan in case God’s will is not respected on Earth
            only it’s not on youtube lol
            (am I following your line of thinking now?)

          35. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I contemplate …

      2. ghassan Karam Avatar
        ghassan Karam

        Dateam,
        It is always important not to act except when one is absolutely certain of the facts and this is of paramount importance in this case since the ramifications of our action would be very significant. I do hope that no one rushes to judgement.

  6. ghassan Karam Avatar
    ghassan Karam

    I do understand that once a post is in the public domain then readers are free to interpret it any which way they choose but can anyone explain what God and the Quran have to do with this post? Can we for once discuss the issues without going back to Allah? Leave God out of this discussion.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Happy thought, Ghassan. But the lack of any ‘logic’ or ‘reasoning’ in the scene of death shown above has ‘the folks’ so befuddled that they seek some kind ancient text which can explain it. And then argue about it.
      These two guys have not shown me YET the lines of text which say: ‘Go and kill the children of all who don’t believe these ancient words in text.’
      Basically, there really are no words we can say to make ‘glorious’ any war – or the way it works.
      Humans have a long way to go to understand themselves.
      Simplicity – Get rid of Assad.

    2. Now you see what the problem within our society is? You just made this comment which 100% true and look at the responses you have received…..its like the saying goes…izza bazat yalayeh bi fakir yam it shateh….getting back to your article there indeed has been reports coming from inspectors that rebels could have been behind it. lets not be in denial that there has always been rogue elements within the opposition who clearly have their own agenda and have also caused atrocities and published them on youtube for all to see…The turks at one point caught them with sarin gas…i have done some research and have seen articles and pictures of rebels purported to be using chemical weapons and testing their use as well. However it appears decisions may have already been made that this may go ahead…The UN was reported to have stated that it will take them 2 weeks to finish their tests and the that the report will not be made public????

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Well I’ll look for that ‘report’ … and the report of the report. In the meantime, wait for it.

        1. You have missed the point completely that Ghassan is making. People cannot act so righteous yet do what is contrary in basic common law….the ramifications of what may happen are far beyond what anyone can imagine….The inspectors are still on the ground..They have stated they need 2 weeks yet everyone is jumping up and down to strike now…We saw the falsities of iraqs wmd war we dont want to see the same again because this time we are talking potentially ww3. Let the inspectors finish their work and present the evidence. The un work is being manipulated.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I think RATHER that it is ‘the news’ which miss-interprets what is said.
            To say ‘we are ready now’ does not mean an imminent ‘hit’. But everyone takes it to mean that, it seems. Being ready and prepared does not mean it will happen before they have all the evidence that’s needed.
            Would also be difficult to think they would ‘do in’ the UN Inspection team as well.
            And that’s not only one country involved in the inspections.
            The ‘HYPE’ is astounding … twits twittering … blogs blogging … analysts doing whatever they do … Weird world.
            And really, Assad still has the time to put up a white flag.
            We won’t know anything until it happens – after which there can be a new set of speculations made. :-))

          2. Look we can go on and on about chemical weapons..who can and cant have it…double standards everywhere…it was ok for saddam to use it (supplied by usa ) when he was an ally and now its a different story….however in this case its not that simple…for the syrian government to use it makes absolutely no sense at all…especially when the un inspectors are already there and staying only 15min away…the rebels have used it before…the turks caught a group with sarin gas and on youtube they have shown videos testing on animals…all that is beside the point now whats happened has happened….Hysteria yes…i mean first of all they cant hit until the un inspectors leave which is supposed to be after 2 weeks…further obama needs congress to clear him? Will they or will they not? In the dirty world of politics will the republicans give him a green light? If only to want him fail and get bogged down in another iraq in order to use for the next elections? Will the republicans say no and he then goes alone fails or gets bogged down in another war the americans clearly dont want and then look at impeaching him? Does he want to go down in history as the man that potentially could start ww3 especially with the state of affairs economically back home? Unfortunately we as normal people, mothers , fathers, parents see things on an emotional level which is just being human….there are alot of players in this…they have all hedged their bets and participated in the game…my opinion is that its gone beyond being able to help anyone….who ever wants to go play their can play but dont come home crying…keep it their and lets worry about lebanon because for 30 years noone cared about us.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            At that time, Dateam, no-one cared about many things they do now … or in many cases even knew … the ‘gang warfare’ was indescribable to most of the world. Pictures were grainy black&white in newspapers. Lebanon still carries the labels of it’s ‘dark ages’. After the bombings recently, one can see why.
            A lot of people, even Lebanese, will just shake their heads and walk away from any conversation about the place. Tell friends that you visited Lebanon, and they stand in ‘awe’ – there are two mental-medals applied – ‘brave’ and ‘stupid’.
            ‘You went THERE … AGAIN ???’ (shocked look on face) :-))))
            Those of us who really (almost) understand what kind of influence ‘Religions’ and ‘Syrians’ have had on Lebanon, cannot explain why we’d like to visit … again.
            So … in a changed world of ‘instant news’ from a billion cell-phones … should we simply all do the same as in the ‘blacked-out’ 80’s, and turn backs on it?
            Walk away from both Syria and Lebanon? Shed a tear in silence?

            I agree it would be less expensive – we’ll just keep sending food and medical aid to those poor humans who can’t get war-ravavged minds freed up enough to help themselves. Sad as it is, that IS an option … basically used for 3 years now … which fact no-one seems to like either.
            There’s a lot of danger from flapping gums causing high blood pressure. I’d be happy to get back to ‘tech-talks’ and jokes.

          4. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The “Turks” (bashar’s enemies) having caught rebels with gas says it all!!!
            The international community and its intelligence agencies have not allowed rebels to get hold of chemical weapons. I also read reports of a US-Russian direct intervention (yes, Russian boots on the Syrian ground with Washington’s nod) to defend a chemical depot from falling in the hand of al-nusra.
            As for the threats of a WWIII – HILARIOUS!!!
            And who do you want to fight such a war in the present imbalance of forces?
            May I remind you that the US army alone is stronger than the next 9 armies combined (5 or 6 of which are US allies depending on the studies).
            Your threats are as empty as the threats of these bashar officials or their past clones the saddam officials who also threatened of a third WW should the US invade…
            btw Obama can order the strike without congress approval – betting on the Republicans to stop him or (lolololololol) impeach him is simple wet dreams.
            As for the proofs and while the West has proofs that it was assad, the orchestra of anti-West propagandists will not believe these proofs even if we show you a picture of bashar “pressing the button”.
            Time is up! The masquerade has lasted long enough.
            One thing you’re right about – worry about yourself and let the West (one more time) be the defender of human values.

          5. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Truly deranged individual, I bet You would make Hitler blush, poor of You son, You lost it, Your arrogance is only for Your military supremacy? is that all? You are worth nothing as a human being,

            Hell! You are not worth more than a Morceau De Merde!

          6. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            right and what would happen after two weeks of “UN investigations”?
            they will take the results to the security council where Russia and China will veto any reprisal. Then they will create a half- ass solution of setting up a toothless STS that will take years and years of bureaucracy work to come up with a couple of names who will disappear in dahyieh. Great work UN!

          7. I dont make it up i read and search and put it out there… go to youtube and put in general wesley clark…watch the clip back in 2011 about taking out 7 countries in 5 years….

          8. Hannibal Avatar

            I wonder if Moslem countries can take down Western civilized countries as such. The worm eating at the 7 countries is religion. When religion defines a nation it is easy to say it is God who willed it, someone who can never be judged… However, when the law of man prevails, if man misbehaves the man is accountable. Assuming the conspiracy theory is real, whose fault is it anyway? Can we conspire to turn a brother against another in a western country? The nation comes first for them. It is amazing to me how three different groups coexist in Switzerland yet they speak different languages. If they can do it, so can the middle east. The Maronites proposed the idea of federalism and it was shot down right away by the moslems. You know why? Because Islam is the religion of submission and domination NOT a religion of peace and coexistence. If one day the whole of the 7 countries become one sect, a sunni let us say, they will find a way to differ and go at it again. In their mind an unreachable god dictates it. It will never end. So stop blaming others for Islam’s bigotry.

          9. Im not blaming anyone, im not propagating anything nor defending anyone, im simply saying have a look..have you had a look? There are different rules for the middle east…have a look at the contradictions throughout history and ask yourself why and how? One day a dictator is acceptable and then the next day he isnt….if the middle east didnt have oil or gas would anyone even care? The muslim world is at fault for allowing external parties dictate who and how they can be…..thats not my opinion that is fact…just look through history. Further on the point of religion it is but a tool.

          10. Hannibal Avatar

            I have a problem with you saying “the moslem world”… I am part of this world and I am not a moslem… Answer me that: Would you accept me as a non-moslem to be an elected president of your country?

          11. Heres another one on youtube: mother agnes mariam on GRTV

          12. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            There is nothing wrong when a mistake happens to saying this happened only because allah willed so long as the person learns from the mistake and take bonafide measures to reduce damage to what could be a sensitive situation(be it death because of mistake or an an accident which could be very expensive) religion needs only one dedicated person for it to function its a belief system set in the heart and mind as for democracy it needs people in order for it to function. The point is we need religion(manners and justice) embedded in us while common law needs us for it to succeed. Not to say all the laws are rubbish there are some very justified laws we can all learn from. Life is a learning speed hump we are all human and its not a perfect world. Your current argument has so many flaws and any human can learn to cooperate if there was no need to cooperate there would only be one human being. When you say islam only exists to conquer and not for peace and co existance how do you justify the impact islam had in the golden ages and how its still the fastest growing religion. You probably do have a point when fighting the belief system of “individuals” that is only your right to do so and i agree this is how to move forward with co existance, but you surely do not have any dirt ob the religion itself.

          13. Well explained reasonable man . Unfortunately valid arguments will fall on deaf ears to the people who refuse to open their minds. They will continue to ignore valid points in arguments and continue with their hateful rants, and be oblivious to the facts.

          14. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Jazakallah w 5ayron akhi.

          15. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            In Islamic philosophy the concept of surrendering (Aslim and Istaslim…) is one of the pillars of the religion. I have to agree with Hannibal on that point that coexistence as we define it today is not part of a Sharia state. In Muslim legislature non-Muslim citizens of such states are de-facto second class citizens, and to benefit from all the rights given to Muslims they should surrender to the religion or in Arabic “Aslim” – It’s in the Koran, I’m not inventing. It is an undeniable fact recognized by Muslim scholars themselves.
            Which always brings us back to what I like to call the lifespan of a religion.
            No matter how long it takes, a day will come where the messages of a religion become obsolete. Can you deny that it is wrong in this day and age to consider citizens to be of a lower class than others based on religion? Yet, this is the case in Islamic states or Sharia State.
            In the times of the Prophet, this was ok (75% of the world population were already slaves) a Jewish person living in Jeddah let’s say accepted the fact that he was second class because well… it’s better than being 3rd class, or 4th class at the time. But today, the reasonableman in all of us cannot accept this. 😉
            This is why I think that the lifespan of Islam as the religion based on the Koran and Mohamed’s message is today obsolete, because it can no longer explain life but got surpassed by the messages of a civil society based on Human values and not religious values. Don’t jump on my neck just yet, let me add that all these old religions are as obsolete as Islam.
            What to do with Islam? simple, just like Christians did with Judaism, they updated the message of the Old Testament and when the New Testament in itself became obsolete, the Protestant movement spread all over Europe, and invaded the new world, spreading an updated message…
            At the end/today they were all updated with what I consider is the new “religion” which is Science based on logic, main strength of the Human being. Science today is answering our questions better than any God did. Science proved the world was round (denied by all religions at the time), Science proved that we are one tiny planet revolving around the sun when all religions said that Earth is the center of the universe, Science proved that we can walk on the moon when some religions said it was impossible, Science is explaining how our body functions and what it needs, Science explained atoms and particles… I invite you from the bottom of the heart, to use your reason to explain things surrounding us instead of some sentences written in an old book by a person who could not possibly envision the future that came to be.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Happy thought, Mekenseh. There are still those who – even as we plan trips back to the moon or to Mars – believe it was all faked by Hollywood.
            Although, at the same time, they enjoy tweeting on their cell-phones.
            TWITS. ;-))))

          17. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Really now mekenseh lets be reasonable and unbiased not until the 19th century people started claiming that christianity and judaism flourished the most in the golden ages. Some argue that they were second class citizens but this does not go beyond social injustices. Yes we can argue(debate) an individuals belief system eg why he was unjust to such and such but really has nothing to do with islam itself. Till date there is no country or community to have a christian court a muslim court and a jewish court like the time of the abbaside caliphate. Have a look at dubai and malaysia they seem pretty well off if you can find any verse that says treat anybody else like second class citizens i will challenge it.

          18. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Zoroastrians in Iran are persecuted, Christians are not but that’s simply because Christians have the whole Christian world behind them, but Zoroastrians are not so lucky. Funny you mentioned Dubai because an Emirati native (Muslim in other words) is a first class citizen while all other nationalities are second class. If you have a car accident in Dubai and the other driver is a native you are DIRECTLY considered to be at fault…
            Please, don’t get your feelings hurt, Christians cleansed Europe of all “heretic” religions for centuries and all the way to 1945 some would argue with the massacres against the Jewish population.
            Salvation of the Arab world and Salvation of Islam comes when people start refusing this blind distinction based on religion or race. What’s the big deal if a church or synagogue opens in Mecca or even Jeddah? Why are Copts still considered second class citizens in Egypt and most recently in the democratically voted new constitution were not given the right, as any Egyptian citizen, to be elected president for example?
            I call every person in the world to start criticizing not the others, but rather what is absolutely dear to them. I always call on the Lebanese people to self-criticize before blaming the world for their woes. Muslims today have to look inward and find out what in their religion is keeping them from catching up with the rest of the world and change it (yes! change the interpretation!), because it is an undeniable fact that the Islamic Civilization is still backward.

          19. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            It is wrong to prosocute any human that is innocent in islam, what is backward is not islam its your understanding of it. Car accidents in dubai end up being the non native fault now thats absured where did you hear this from? The natives there are the WORST drivers lol. As for not allowing christian president in my own layman opinion is the situation was inflated and both parties fell in wrong. I live in australia i dont see a muslim governer but i dont complain? The 600000 here dont complain. No muslims government in america nobody is complaining? In south america no complaints. Generally the people as a whole can choose to live peacefully under any government, luckily in the west they do listen if there was an injustice social or legal(half the time) thats not to say racism doesnt exist. When we first got here we were called wogs and beaten up just because we are not australian. Until we learned to stick together but it still exists in some areas. Just today a man out of nowhere started calling a man and his kids arab dogs and they were only eating there food? unfortunately for the egyptions they chose the other path but im sure if there was a government that practised the sharia and really payed attention to the social injustices that occured egypt would be at peace.

          20. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’m sure. In secular law, ‘Innocent until proven guilty.’
            And yet, as you note, everywhere we see the opposite – by a press which assumes – or raving mobs which do the same.
            So, ‘law’ provides ‘protection’ as best as possible for the guilty and the innocent – where it is practiced. (Imagine if Mubarak could walk down a street, while waiting for a verdict)(Imagine how far Assad would get without bodyguards)
            Ignorance is shown in that ‘wogs’ line – you must look Italian. :-))
            But THAT was the wrong group to use it on too – the term came out of colonial India – used by the Brits of 1900.
            Try not to get too-dark a tan in summer – you’ll have to sit at the back of the bus.
            The one that no-one could figure out is the ‘blue-eyed brown-haired Protestant friend, who – when identified as Canadian – was instantly called an ‘Israeli Spy’ in Tripoli – and gotten out of the area fast. But there you go. There’s really no justice when minds see only what they have been told programmed to see.
            And yet, it takes a lot of programming for the reverse to hold true – to simply see others as ‘human’ first. And only ‘law’ applied across the WHOLE society provides the protections … and eventually changes the programming.

          21. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            There is not a Muslim governor in the US but there is no law that doesn’t allow Muslims to be governors. There is a Muslim congressman, and the son of a Muslim is president and has a Muslim middle name…
            My understanding of islam is not backward. Please check the sharia and the Muslim jurisprudence and you will find that non-Muslims have a different status in society, again I’m not inventing. Those are facts recognized by the highest level of Muslim scholars.
            As for discrimination in Dubai between locals and foreigners it is also an undeniable fact witnessed by tons of people…
            I’m not Australian nor do I know a lot about Australia but I did hear and read that there are a lot of bigots but Australia is not a Christian country, it’s a civil country based on the rule of human laws and not some godly laws from the 1st century. Just like African Americans used the constitution to gain full civil status, I hope that Muslims in Australia do the same and keep fighting unjust discrimination.

          22. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Now i know your going to say if my theory is correct “look at the islamic countries compared to the non islamic” well hannibal even drug dealers drive nice cars and have all the time to spend with family but does that make it correct? Welcome to the wild west where the good guys come last where the criminals are called “your worship” and “your honour” and the good guys most of the time end up with a mop and bucket cleaning the toilets now not to say there is a problem with that i myself started off doing dishes until my heart turned to stone and learned how to play the game luckily theres still abit of heart left just enough petrol to keep me motivated about the REAL issues happening over the world and not this temporary facist attire. Theres a saying and ill keep it simple your either a DOER or a DONTER so long as we can face the consequences. Tezz 3a hek civilized i will guarentee if there was enough jobs in lebanon reguardless of the sectarian tension we would all rather be there.

          23. Hannibal Avatar

            Reasonableman,
            Among the many I do respect you and your opinion… I’d rather be there and will in a jiffy move. My argument comes from what I see insolvable under current political and religious atmosphere. Look at the mass murders happening in this world of ours… It is pushed by zealots. No man in his right mind will kill any other because of religion yet it happens on a mass scale. That is why we live abroad. I can’t fathom the idea of carrying the charred body of my son because an idiot blew up himself in front of a mosque or a church or a temple or a synagogue.

          24. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Atleast we can both agree that those blowing places of worship up and killing innocent people are no less than scum. The issue i was raising though is that whatever it is we are missing in the west we find it back home and whatever we are missing back home we find it in the west.
            Now take a trip down memory lane…the guy pushing his trolley selling ka3ak, the sound of horns and potholes in the road, the batata and ketchup sandwish that is so packed with batata it cant close. LoL

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Cleaning a toilet IS a useful job. From the look of my kitchen sometimes, so is cleaning the dishes. But are you still doing that? Was there a chance to move ‘up’ to a different job? I started on an assembly-line – possibly the most brain-deadening job I could have experienced – evidenced to me by the ones I had to listen to also on it. I learned why I didn’t want to stay there. Either.

          26. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No doubt but for some reason frowned upon… assembly line *ouch* what do you do now? Im a quiet guy i had many oppertunities but used to let people take credit for my work because i enjoy making people happy eventually you see that even if you wore a sign saying spit on me people wouldnt bother. To make a living i had to do what people have been doing to me. Thats to *pretend* i am something i am not and lie to people aswell to get my way. Eventually i looked into carpentry finished my apprenticeship and have my own business al7amdulilah (too much lieing and liers in this trade so i have a limit of what kind of jobs i do and for who) so looked elsewhere i also work in the aviation screening and studying a bachelor of law to be a lier i mean lawyer 🙂

          27. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Reasonable. I learned to ignore the ones trying to disturb me.
            Woodworking is an art of it’s own … done well, the spitters have nothing to say.
            You need to read: ‘Zen, And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance’.

          28. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            5th where are you hope your in good health.??

          29. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            the youtube video you are talking about is about “contingency plans” = meaning if needed be, we take out 7 countries in 5 years.
            Just like we have contingency plans to take out Russia, China and any other state or group of states if they decide to pose a threat one day.
            It’s thinking ahead
            It’s simple preparation in case of
            Got it?
            I know it’s too much for you to understand what “contingency plans” mean you who have shown in some 70 years of “independence” that you can’t come up with a “simple plan” and even less following it.

          30. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            But Mekenseh … those ‘contingencies’ – which we see as ‘theory’ – are what all the weirdo ‘theorists’ base their theories on – even the ones in ancient texts.
            hehehehehe
            Just that in some places, the credo is:
            ‘If it doesn’t work, use it.’ :-)))))

          31. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Can you develop this idea, I didn’t quite get it
            (PS: I’m not drunk… yet)

          32. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Hmmm Mekenseh … I thought i’d been working on it a few years … 😉
            Might need a new ‘stock’ update … for ‘clarity’. :-)))

          33. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The Apocalypse comes to mind when I read your words
            it sounds like a contingency plan in case God’s will is not respected on Earth
            only it’s not on youtube lol
            (am I following your line of thinking now?)

          34. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I contemplate …

      2. ghassan Karam Avatar
        ghassan Karam

        Dateam,
        It is always important not to act except when one is absolutely certain of the facts and this is of paramount importance in this case since the ramifications of our action would be very significant. I do hope that no one rushes to judgement.

  7. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    1. Ya-Sin.[These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur’an, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings.]
    2. By the Qur’an, full of wisdom (i.e. full of laws, evidences, and proofs)
    ,3. Truly, you (O Muhammad ) are one of the Messengers,
    4. On a Straight Path (i.e. on Allah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism).
    5. (This is) a Revelation sent down by the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful,
    6. In order that you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, so they are heedless
    .7. Indeed the Word (of punishment) has proved true against most of them, so they will not believe.
    8. Verily! We have put on their necks iron collars reaching to chins, so that their heads are forced up.
    9. And We have put a barrier before them, and a barrier behind them, and We have covered them up, so that they cannot see.
    10. It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
    11. You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Qur’an), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).
    12. Verily, We give life to the dead, and We record that which they send before (them), and their traces [their footsteps and walking on the earth with their legs to the mosques for the five compulsory congregational prayers, Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) and all other good and evil they did, and that which they leave behind], and all things We have recorded with numbers (as a record) in a Clear Book.
    13. And put forward to them a similitude; the (story of the) dwellers of the town, [It is said that the town was Antioch (Antakiya)], when there came Messengers to them.
    14. When We sent to them two Messengers, they belied them both, so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: “Verily! We have been sent to you as Messengers.”
    15. They (people of the town) said: “You are only human beings like ourselves, and the Most Beneficent (Allah) has revealed nothing, you are only telling lies.”
    16. The Messengers said: “Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you
    ,17. “And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message).”
    18. They (people) said: “For us, we see an evil omen from you, if you cease not, we will surely stone you, and a painful torment will touch you from us.”
    19. They (Messengers) said: “Your evil omens be with you! (Do you call it “evil omen”) because you are admonished? Nay, but you are a people Musrifun (transgressing all bounds by committing all kinds of great sins, and by disobeying Allah).
    20. And there came running from the farthest part of the town, a man, saying: “O my people! Obey the Messengers;
    21. “Obey those who ask no wages of you (for themselves), and who are rightly guided.22. “And why should I not worship Him (Allah Alone) Who has created me and to Whom you shall be returned.

    1. Our Dua and donations are our weapons against the tyrants , All men of the Umma need to stand up make Dua give what they can and be counted as the servants who are worthy.
      Food supplies are running out fast for all our innocent brothers and sisters .To help in the front line in syria and africa ..visit I-DO.ORG.AU

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        ONLY the U.S. (a Secular nation) will be there to save you NOT your muslim brothers.

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        I have said about starving children for 3 years here … maybe I’m not worthy … hmm.

  8. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    1. Ya-Sin.[These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur’an, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings.]
    2. By the Qur’an, full of wisdom (i.e. full of laws, evidences, and proofs)
    ,3. Truly, you (O Muhammad ) are one of the Messengers,
    4. On a Straight Path (i.e. on Allah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism).
    5. (This is) a Revelation sent down by the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful,
    6. In order that you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, so they are heedless
    .7. Indeed the Word (of punishment) has proved true against most of them, so they will not believe.
    8. Verily! We have put on their necks iron collars reaching to chins, so that their heads are forced up.
    9. And We have put a barrier before them, and a barrier behind them, and We have covered them up, so that they cannot see.
    10. It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
    11. You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Qur’an), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).
    12. Verily, We give life to the dead, and We record that which they send before (them), and their traces [their footsteps and walking on the earth with their legs to the mosques for the five compulsory congregational prayers, Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) and all other good and evil they did, and that which they leave behind], and all things We have recorded with numbers (as a record) in a Clear Book.
    13. And put forward to them a similitude; the (story of the) dwellers of the town, [It is said that the town was Antioch (Antakiya)], when there came Messengers to them.
    14. When We sent to them two Messengers, they belied them both, so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: “Verily! We have been sent to you as Messengers.”
    15. They (people of the town) said: “You are only human beings like ourselves, and the Most Beneficent (Allah) has revealed nothing, you are only telling lies.”
    16. The Messengers said: “Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you
    ,17. “And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message).”
    18. They (people) said: “For us, we see an evil omen from you, if you cease not, we will surely stone you, and a painful torment will touch you from us.”
    19. They (Messengers) said: “Your evil omens be with you! (Do you call it “evil omen”) because you are admonished? Nay, but you are a people Musrifun (transgressing all bounds by committing all kinds of great sins, and by disobeying Allah).
    20. And there came running from the farthest part of the town, a man, saying: “O my people! Obey the Messengers;
    21. “Obey those who ask no wages of you (for themselves), and who are rightly guided.22. “And why should I not worship Him (Allah Alone) Who has created me and to Whom you shall be returned.

    1. Our Dua and donations are our weapons against the tyrants , All men of the Umma need to stand up make Dua give what they can and be counted as the servants who are worthy.
      Food supplies are running out fast for all our innocent brothers and sisters .To help in the front line in syria and africa ..visit I-DO.ORG.AU

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        ONLY the U.S. (a Secular nation) will be there to save you NOT your muslim brothers.

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        I have said about starving children for 3 years here … maybe I’m not worthy … hmm.

  9. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    “God is a comic, playing to an audience that’s afraid to laugh.” – Voltaire (1694-1778)

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      And Your Mom is a Charmouta who makes laugh all the sailors in Tel Aviv.
      You have chosen to insult and believe that Voltaire know More Than JesusChrist, Hence You will be insulted,
      Hey I have another for You, it goes like this:
      You are an abortion of hell and you where born after an indigestion with the help of laxative :-)))

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Dork.

  10. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    “God is a comic, playing to an audience that’s afraid to laugh.” – Voltaire (1694-1778)

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      And Your Mom is a Charmouta who makes laugh all the sailors in Tel Aviv.
      You have chosen to insult and believe that Voltaire know More Than JesusChrist, Hence You will be insulted,
      Hey I have another for You, it goes like this:
      You are an abortion of hell and you where born after an indigestion with the help of laxative :-)))

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Dork.

  11. Fauzia45 Avatar

    Indeed,this is a crime against humanity!!These criminals,will not stop using these brutal measures until they get what they want!What is more tragic is the silence of the international community !!!They should raise their voice against these crimes!

    1. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      Fawzia45, Yes it is a crime of the highest order but so would a response that is not based on solid evidence. We must be absolutely certain of the source and once we are we must act.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        It seems to be ‘the act’ part which people have trouble with, Ghassan. 😉

  12. Fauzia45 Avatar

    Indeed,this is a crime against humanity!!These criminals,will not stop using these brutal measures until they get what they want!What is more tragic is the silence of the international community !!!They should raise their voice against these crimes!

    1. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      Fawzia45, Yes it is a crime of the highest order but so would a response that is not based on solid evidence. We must be absolutely certain of the source and once we are we must act.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        It seems to be ‘the act’ part which people have trouble with, Ghassan. 😉

  13. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    Thank you for an article full of good sense.
    I did feel that too, that somewhere it is also my (as a human being) fault that this happened, that I (who can’t do much for Syria or Syrian children) am responsible for letting it happen… As a father I can’t see a picture of a dead child, let alone dozens of them lined up lifelessly on the ground.
    You are right that we shouldn’t accuse without proof, that some of bashar’s enemies are as monstrous as he is and if that is indeed their deed Syria will pass from the hands of a beast to the hands of another. But many things point to the butcher’s doing:
    – On the ground, assad’s forces have been trying for months now to take those suburbs without success. Quite the contrary, a buildup of rebel forces and more effective weapons flowing to these areas made them a threat to assad’s control over the capital. the rebels hitting their lines with chemical weapons while advancing on these fronts simply does not add up. If you’re winning the battle why would you want to halt your advance? While if you’re loosing the battle and your planes, artillery, tanks and soldiers (conventional weapons) can no longer stop your enemy from advancing you will use more lethal weapons that would stop them.
    – The rebels do not have any chemical weapons! from the beginning of the armed insurgency all countries made sure that such weapons would not reach the hands of rebels (al Qaeda linked rebels specifically – and all rebels in general). The amount of gas used is enormous and supplying and transporting all that to rebel groups cannot go unnoticed especially when all intelligence agencies (Russian included) have their eyes fully open on the matter.
    – To play the devil’s advocate: We can’t say with certainty that Assad did NOT do that. He’s proven to be a heartless beast on oh so many occasions and that he is very capable of taking such inhuman actions to save his bloody regime.
    – Intelligence agencies have noticed preparations and movement in assad controlled chemical depots days and hours before the massacre.
    I’m not the CIA, nor can I personally prove that assad did it, but my own logic points to assad and no one else.

    1. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      MekensehParty,
      If you are familiar with my previous articles/posts on Yalibnan.com and other outlets then you know that I have been an opponent of the Syrian regime for a long time. My only point though, was to caution against hasty conclusions that might turn out to be faulty.

    2. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      @ghassan_karam:disqus
      Hey Ghassan, yes, I know that 😉
      I was discussing what makes me think it’s assad and was not antagonizing you.
      But today, after reading all that crap from the Russians and Chinese, that the gas used is mixed so as not to be detected, I’m of a different opinion and I’m sorry to say that I no longer agree with you.
      Proof or no proof I want the Tomahawks to start flying! And it seems they will!
      International Justice will lead nowhere unfortunately, whatever proofs the UN team is going to gather after 5 days given to assad to hide the proofs is going to be discredited by the Russians I have no doubt. I will not wait for an STS to be formed and investigations to take years and years before coming to (if ever) the conclusion we all know: assad used chemical weapons on people.
      Batman is my favorite superhero, and I understand that as much as he hated the Joker he wanted to bring him to Justice. But in reality Human Justice is flawed and that group of murderers from putin to assad, passing by the Iranians and Chinese need to have a taste of their own injustice.
      Enough playing nice I say – hit the #$%$#%#%^ in the crouch and finish him!

      1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
        Igor Chingoski

        So I gather that You don’t want the real culprit to pay for this crime, You want somebody to pay for the gas attack on Civilians, and guilty or not some Country should be punish, You will have it all, bloodshed for thirsty war mongers, and the hole economy going down. Families separated either by dead or unrest.
        how about if the tomahawks are sent to You home since You are so eager to have some action, hows that sound? :-)))

        Picture courtesy of SaSQuAtCh, Your’e friendly Spy.
        Scen of love between mekesenParty and USA

        1. MekensehParty Avatar
          MekensehParty

          so now you seem worried for blood being shed huh?
          of course, bashar can kill 100K people, that’s fine, but if Americans kill a dozen mercenaries guarding WMDs that have been used when they strike the depot you cry foul?
          you didn’t seem worried by families being separated by dead and unrest after 2.5 years of bloody civil war. you didn’t either care when Syria and its economy were wiped out by grad missiles leveling neighborhood after neighborhood…
          what a hypocrite!!! what a fake human!
          count the minutes looser, your hero is on the run and he will be found in a rat hole similar to those where we found saddam and ghaddafi.
          you and the likes of you are going to the trash bin of history!

          1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Oh so Assad killed 100,000 He alone…? WOW!
            You seem to be a hypocrite, in honour to the truth it wasn’t Assad (May rotten in hell) who started this insurrection, is the strategy of USA, UK and his dogs of war who are killing people and blaming Assad, He didn’t killed Catholic Priests, It was the Insurrection of terrorists who came from Turkey and to serve the supremacy of Israel, Why it wasn’t in the main stream Media this killings, Because where made by the hired terrorist of the group of Khara.
            This is not about Chemical Weapons You ignorant blood monger! this is about land and History.

            Just Remember that when Lebanon and Syria Re-established Diplomatic relations in 2009, We opened Our Embassy in Syria and Syria opened theirs in Lebanon respecting each other autonomy,

            Stating that Shebaa Farms are Lebanese.

            This is what Israel didn’t like because goes against their greed for keeping the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms, And this is why USA the UK and Israel harvested from Turkey an insurrection to topple Bashar Assad, Israel Don’t want anybody to have peace in the region is goes against them, Israel always will try to divide the region fomenting civilian unrest and rivalry the same way is been during many years, is a war of divide and defeat and is time for everyone to see what is really behind all this innocent bloodshed, is Evil.

            Lebanese army maps published in 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms, including Zebdine, Fashkoul, Mougr Shebaa and Ramta, all of which are designated as being lebanese. Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps also show the Lebanese-Syrian border running west of the Shebaa Farms. Syria has officially acknowledged the Farms are Lebanese.

            Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon. Assad told a news conference in Paris before ending a state visit to France, Beirut and Damascus will demarcate their countries’ border at Shebaa Farms after Israel withdraws from the region. They will then submit a new map to the UN.

            You see? And now they want the Lebanese Government to do the dirty work killing Palestinians who in turn are protected by the UN this way Israel and USA can demonize Lebanon as committing genocide so the Israelis can keep Our Land/ Dirty game indeed, but only those with no moral are truly dirty.
            Like I was saying: You are a Monkey of the Pentagon.
            Here Monkey!
            You count the minute looser and salivate when You see the bombs flying, and then let Me see your ugly face satisfied by more dead.
            MAKE WAY ASSAD! HERE COMES THE MIGHTY AMERICANS TO KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU! YAY!

            Comics Provided By SaSqUaTcH, Your friendly Spy!

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            stop copy-pasting your stupidass story and your twisted view of historic facts
            only you believe what you wrote and repeating it over and over as your brainwashers did to you is not going to convince us to adopt this bad Syrian melodrama
            Here comes the Eagle little rabbits, run for the closest hole

          3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            And You stop denying what is History and the truth, And more Estupideces and Chingaderas, Is what You write, You are a prostitute of disinformation, an enemy of Lebanon and Human kind, You and Your group of Mercenaries are spoiling all effort by Our President Michel Suleiman in which He had Achieved by Himself what nobody before had achieved.

            The only intention You and Your group of khara have is to steal land, And You posing here as if You where Lebanese, what You are is WASKHA! Laish mab bt ruh kess omek YAHARADINEK! watel ent ebn charmouta, bifauk to mohem bel adeb mab tebha.

            And yes the closest hole is that of Your sister but not even if She pays Me I will go inn, LOL.

            You are a CELESTINA Procuring a little adventure for Your American shit, (Celestina has become synonymous with procuress—especially an old woman—dedicated to promoting the illegal engagement of a couple)

            I know how is being played all this hysterical lie, and I know that You cowards only attack innocent People from the distance,

            Your Own People in USA is against this and sooner than later Your Own People will make an insurrection against Your Dictatorship,

            You Hypocrites preach democracy, while choosing a Palestinian George Sabra as leader of an insurrection to give Syria to the Palestinians playing with the life of the Genuine People of Syria like if they are worth nothing, You belong to a group of Christian Haters, You advocate Murder of Catholic Priests, Slander, False accusations, Lies, You Deform History, You Distort the Truth, and just for telling Me to stop coping and paste here You have so RAFAHAUT TOBTIZEK EBN CHARMOUTA, YAHARADINEK.
            CHINGA TU PUTA MADRE GRINGO DE MIERDA!
            SALIVATE LOOSER AND YOUR PRESIDENT IS A LOOSER-EE.

            Is not the Chemical weapons is to steal land:

            Just Remember that when Lebanon and Syria Re-established Diplomatic relations in 2009, We opened Our Embassy in Syria and Syria opened theirs in Lebanon respecting each other autonomy,

            Stating that Shebaa Farms are Lebanese.

            This is what Israel didn’t like because goes against their greed for keeping the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms, And this is why USA the UK and Israel harvested from Turkey an insurrection to topple Bashar Assad, Israel Don’t want anybody to have peace in the region is goes against them, Israel always will try to divide the region fomenting civilian unrest and rivalry the same way is been during many years, is a war of divide and defeat and is time for everyone to see what is really behind all this innocent bloodshed, is Evil.

            Lebanese army maps published in 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms, including Zebdine, Fashkoul, Mougr Shebaa and Ramta, all of which are designated as being lebanese. Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps also show the Lebanese-Syrian border running west of the Shebaa Farms. Syria has officially acknowledged the Farms are Lebanese.

            Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon. Assad told a news conference in Paris before ending a state visit to France, Beirut and Damascus will demarcate their countries’ border at Shebaa Farms after Israel withdraws from the region. They will then submit a new map to the UN.

            You see? And now they want the Lebanese Government to do the dirty work killing Palestinians who in turn are protected by the UN this way Israel and USA can demonize Lebanon as committing genocide so the Israelis can keep Our Land/ Dirty game indeed, but only those with no moral are truly dirty.

            SPREAD THE WORD!

  14. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    Thank you for an article full of good sense.
    I did feel that too, that somewhere it is also my (as a human being) fault that this happened, that I (who can’t do much for Syria or Syrian children) am responsible for letting it happen… As a father I can’t see a picture of a dead child, let alone dozens of them lined up lifelessly on the ground.
    You are right that we shouldn’t accuse without proof, that some of bashar’s enemies are as monstrous as he is and if that is indeed their deed Syria will pass from the hands of a beast to the hands of another. But many things point to the butcher’s doing:
    – On the ground, assad’s forces have been trying for months now to take those suburbs without success. Quite the contrary, a buildup of rebel forces and more effective weapons flowing to these areas made them a threat to assad’s control over the capital. the rebels hitting their lines with chemical weapons while advancing on these fronts simply does not add up. If you’re winning the battle why would you want to halt your advance? While if you’re loosing the battle and your planes, artillery, tanks and soldiers (conventional weapons) can no longer stop your enemy from advancing you will use more lethal weapons that would stop them.
    – The rebels do not have any chemical weapons! from the beginning of the armed insurgency all countries made sure that such weapons would not reach the hands of rebels (al Qaeda linked rebels specifically – and all rebels in general). The amount of gas used is enormous and supplying and transporting all that to rebel groups cannot go unnoticed especially when all intelligence agencies have their eyes fully open on the matter.
    – To play the devil’s advocate: We can’t say with certainty that Assad did NOT do that. He’s proven to be a heartless beast on oh so many occasions and that he is very capable of taking such inhuman actions to save his bloody regime.
    – Intelligence agencies have noticed preparations and movement in assad controlled chemical depots days and hours before the massacre.
    I’m not the CIA, nor can I personally prove that assad did it, but my own logic points to assad and no one else.

    1. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      @ghassan_karam:disqus
      Hey Ghassan, yes, I know that 😉
      I was discussing what makes me think it’s assad and was not antagonizing you.
      But today, after reading all that crap from the Russians and Chinese, that the gas used is mixed so as not to be detected, I’m of a different opinion and I’m sorry to say that I no longer agree with you.
      Proof or no proof I want the Tomahawks to start flying! And it seems they will!
      International Justice will lead nowhere unfortunately, whatever proofs the UN team is going to gather after 5 days given to assad to hide the proofs is going to be discredited by the Russians I have no doubt. I will not wait for an STS to be formed and investigations to take years and years before coming to (if ever) the conclusion we all know: assad used chemical weapons on people.
      Batman is my favorite superhero, and I understand that as much as he hated the Joker he wanted to bring him to Justice. But in reality Human Justice is flawed and that group of murderers from putin to assad, passing by the Iranians and Chinese need to have a taste of their own injustice.
      Enough playing nice I say – hit the #$%$#%#%^ in the crouch and finish him!

      1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
        Igor Chingoski

        So I gather that You don’t want the real culprit to pay for this crime, You want somebody to pay for the gas attack on Civilians, and guilty or not some Country should be punish, You will have it all, bloodshed for thirsty war mongers, and the hole economy going down. Families separated either by dead or unrest.
        how about if the tomahawks are sent to You home since You are so eager to have some action, hows that sound? :-)))

        Picture courtesy of SaSQuAtCh, Your’e friendly Spy.

        1. MekensehParty Avatar
          MekensehParty

          so now you seem worried for blood being shed huh?
          of course, bashar can kill 100K people, that’s fine, but if Americans kill a dozen mercenaries guarding WMDs that have been used when they strike the depot you cry foul?
          you didn’t seem worried by families being separated by dead and unrest after 2.5 years of bloody civil war. you didn’t either care when Syria and its economy were wiped out by grad missiles leveling neighborhood after neighborhood…
          what a hypocrite!!! what a fake human!
          count the minutes looser, your hero is on the run and he will be found in a rat whole similar to those where we found saddam and ghaddafi.
          you and the likes of you are going to the trash bin of history!

          1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Oh so Assad killed 100,000 He alone…? WOW!
            You seem to be a hypocrite, in honour to the truth it wasn’t Assad (May rotten in hell) who started this insurrection, is the strategy of USA, UK and his dogs of war who are killing people and blaming Assad, He didn’t killed Catholic Priests, It was the Insurrection of terrorists who came from Turkey and to serve the supremacy of Israel, Why it wasn’t in the main stream Media this killings, Because where made by the hired terrorist of the group of Khara.
            This is not about Chemical Weapons You ignorant blood monger! this is about land and History.

            Just Remember that when Lebanon and Syria Re-established Diplomatic relations in 2009, We opened Our Embassy in Syria and Syria opened theirs in Lebanon respecting each other autonomy,

            Stating that Shebaa Farms are Lebanese.

            This is what Israel didn’t like because goes against their greed for keeping the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms, And this is why USA the UK and Israel harvested from Turkey an insurrection to topple Bashar Assad, Israel Don’t want anybody to have peace in the region is goes against them, Israel always will try to divide the region fomenting civilian unrest and rivalry the same way is been during many years, is a war of divide and defeat and is time for everyone to see what is really behind all this innocent bloodshed, is Evil.

            Lebanese army maps published in 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms, including Zebdine, Fashkoul, Mougr Shebaa and Ramta, all of which are designated as being lebanese. Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps also show the Lebanese-Syrian border running west of the Shebaa Farms. Syria has officially acknowledged the Farms are Lebanese.

            Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon. Assad told a news conference in Paris before ending a state visit to France, Beirut and Damascus will demarcate their countries’ border at Shebaa Farms after Israel withdraws from the region. They will then submit a new map to the UN.

            You see? And now they want the Lebanese Government to do the dirty work killing Palestinians who in turn are protected by the UN this way Israel and USA can demonize Lebanon as committing genocide so the Israelis can keep Our Land/ Dirty game indeed, but only those with no moral are truly dirty.
            Like I was saying: You are a Monkey of the Pentagon.
            Here Monkey!

            Comics Provided By SaSqUaTcH, Your friendly Spy!

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            stop copy-pasting your stupidass story and your twisted view of historic facts
            only you believe what you wrote and repeating it over and over as your brainwashers did to you is not going to convince us to adopt this bad Syrian melodrama
            Here comes the Eagle little rabbits, run for the closest whole

          3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            And You stop denying what is History and the truth, And more Estupideces and Chingaderas, Is what You write, You are a prostitute of disinformation, an enemy of Lebanon and Human kind, You and Your group of Mercenaries are spoiling all effort by Our President Michel Suleiman in which He had AChievend by Himself what nobody before had achieved.

            The only intention You and Your group of khara have is to steal land, And You posing here as if You where Lebanese, what You are is WASKHA! Laish mab bt ruh kess omek YAHARADINEK! watel ent ebn charmouta, bifauk to mohem bel adeb mab tebha.

            And yes the closest hole is that of Your sister but not even if She pays Me I will go inn, LOL.

            You are a CELESTINA Procuring a little adventure for Your American shit, (Celestina has become synonymous with procuress—especially an old woman—dedicated to promoting the illegal engagement of a couple)

            I know how is being played all this hysterical lie, and I know that You cowards only attack innocent People from the distance,

            You Own People in USA is against this and sooner than later Your Own People will make an insurrection against Your Dictatorship,

            You Hypocrites preach democracy, while choosing a Palestinian George Sabra as leader of an insurrection to give Syria to the Palestinians playing with the life of the Genuine People of Syria like if they are worth nothing, You belong to a group of Christian Haters, You advocate Murder of Catholic Priests, Slander, False accusations, Lies, You Deform History, You Distort the Truth, and just for telling Me to stop coping and paste here You have so RAFAHAUT TOBTIZEK EBN CHARMOUTA, YAHARADINEK.
            CHINGA TU PUTA MADRE GRINGO DE MIERDA!

            Is not the Chemical weapons is to steal land:

            Just Remember that when Lebanon and Syria Re-established Diplomatic relations in 2009, We opened Our Embassy in Syria and Syria opened theirs in Lebanon respecting each other autonomy,

            Stating that Shebaa Farms are Lebanese.

            This is what Israel didn’t like because goes against their greed for keeping the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms, And this is why USA the UK and Israel harvested from Turkey an insurrection to topple Bashar Assad, Israel Don’t want anybody to have peace in the region is goes against them, Israel always will try to divide the region fomenting civilian unrest and rivalry the same way is been during many years, is a war of divide and defeat and is time for everyone to see what is really behind all this innocent bloodshed, is Evil.

            Lebanese army maps published in 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms, including Zebdine, Fashkoul, Mougr Shebaa and Ramta, all of which are designated as being lebanese. Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps also show the Lebanese-Syrian border running west of the Shebaa Farms. Syria has officially acknowledged the Farms are Lebanese.

            Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon. Assad told a news conference in Paris before ending a state visit to France, Beirut and Damascus will demarcate their countries’ border at Shebaa Farms after Israel withdraws from the region. They will then submit a new map to the UN.

            You see? And now they want the Lebanese Government to do the dirty work killing Palestinians who in turn are protected by the UN this way Israel and USA can demonize Lebanon as committing genocide so the Israelis can keep Our Land/ Dirty game indeed, but only those with no moral are truly dirty.

            SPREAD THE WORD!

  15. paul matuk Avatar
    paul matuk

    Ghassan:
    Do the rebels have access to chemical weapons? I appreciate your wanting to be thorough and not rush to judgement, but there is no way this investigation starts out as a 50-50 proposition. The onus is on the Assad regime to prove to the world that they did NOT use chemical weapons on their population.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      That ‘onus’ would be supposing ‘the regime’ cared about all it’s citizens, Paul.

    2. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      paul matuk,
      I have to agree with your logic that it is likely that the regime had access to the weapons, their means of delivery and the aim of getting the opposition away from Damascus. But I would hope that we can go a step further by showing the delivery weapons , the make up of the gas …

    3. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      paul,
      I appreciate what you are saying but in fairness I would say that it is difficult to prove a negative. That is why what is needed is a solid proof of who was it that initiated this horror. The custody over chemical weapons and the ability to deliver them is a big part of the puzzle.

  16. paul matuk Avatar
    paul matuk

    Ghassan:
    Do the rebels have access to chemical weapons? I appreciate your wanting to be thorough and not rush to judgement, but there is no way this investigation starts out as a 50-50 proposition. The onus is on the Assad regime to prove to the world that they did NOT use chemical weapons on their population.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      That ‘onus’ would be supposing ‘the regime’ cared about all it’s citizens, Paul.

    2. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      paul matuk,
      I have to agree with your logic that it is likely that the regime had access to the weapons, their means of delivery and the aim of getting the opposition away from Damascus. But I would hope that we can go a step further by showing the delivery weapons , the make up of the gas …

    3. ghassan Karam Avatar
      ghassan Karam

      paul,
      I appreciate what you are saying but in fairness I would say that it is difficult to prove a negative. That is why what is needed is a solid proof of who was it that initiated this horror. The custody over chemical weapons and the ability to deliver them is a big part of the puzzle.

  17. Stop the debate please, it was this guy who did the chemical attack is the dark and mysterious hole of Obama, You needed proof and here it is. :-)))
    Proof of this heinous crime was courtesy of SaSqUaTcH, You’re friendly Spy!

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      I SEE IT, AND IS HORRIBLE AND DARK, IS HELL! AAAAHHHH

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        😉

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Must be Igor, back when he could actually grow a ‘Mowhawk’.

  18. Stop the debate please, it was this guy who did the chemical attack is the dark and misterious hole of Obama, You needed proof and here it is. :-)))

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      I SEE IT, AND IS HORRIBLE AND DARK, IS HELL! AAAAHHHH

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Must be Igor, back when he could actually grow a ‘Mowhawk’. 😉

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Must be Igor, back when he could actually grow a ‘Mowhawk’.

  19. dear yalibnan, please sanitize this page…thanks

  20. dear yalibnan, please sanitize this page…thanks

  21. Obama approved chemical weapon activity months ago to make it look like Assad did it to give him and his people of interest a reason to attack and take over.

    1. lighthorse16 Avatar
      lighthorse16

      You got a thumbs down for writing the truth.. I guess that shows these Clowns for what they are..

  22. Obama approved chemical weapon activity months ago to make it look like Assad did it to give him and his people of interest a reason to attack and take over.

    1. lighthorse16 Avatar
      lighthorse16

      You got a thumbs down for writing the truth.. I guess that shows these Clowns for what they are..

  23. lighthorse16 Avatar
    lighthorse16

    Turkish security forces found a 2-Kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of jihadist militants from al-Qaeda’s Jabhat al-Nusra (Nusra Front) who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.
    The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

    On Monday, Turkish special anti-terror forces arrested 12 suspected members of the Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliated group which has been dubbed “the most aggressive and successful arm” of the “Syrian rebels”. The group was designated a terrorist organization by the United States in December 2012.

    UN accuses Syrian rebels of carrying out sarin gas attacks which had been blamed on Assad’s troops

    Carla Del Ponte said UN Commission investigating war crimes in Syria has ‘strong, concrete suspicions’ that rebels used chemical weapons

    Her remarks contradict statements by the U.S. and UK which said intelligence indicated Syrian soldiers used the weapons.

  24. lighthorse16 Avatar
    lighthorse16

    Turkish security forces found a 2-Kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of jihadist militants from al-Qaeda’s Jabhat al-Nusra (Nusra Front) who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.
    The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

    On Monday, Turkish special anti-terror forces arrested 12 suspected members of the Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliated group which has been dubbed “the most aggressive and successful arm” of the “Syrian rebels”. The group was designated a terrorist organization by the United States in December 2012.

    UN accuses Syrian rebels of carrying out sarin gas attacks which had been blamed on Assad’s troops

    Carla Del Ponte said UN Commission investigating war crimes in Syria has ‘strong, concrete suspicions’ that rebels used chemical weapons

    Her remarks contradict statements by the U.S. and UK which said intelligence indicated Syrian soldiers used the weapons.

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